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From: Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey@boosthardware.com>
To: Abramo Bagnara <abramo.bagnara@libero.it>
Cc: Devel Alsa <alsa-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: help for a levelmeter
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:25:42 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DAF7F36.20509@boosthardware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3DAF320E.9B3B6072@libero.it

Abramo Bagnara wrote:
> Paul Davis wrote:
> 
>>>Paul Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>>   [ ... ]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The rest is obvious, of course ;-)))
>>>>
>>>>i deeply and sincerely this was funny. but it isn't.
>>>
>>>What do you mean with that?
>>>
>>>Documentation has not been written for lack of funding and lack of
>>>volunteers.
>>>
>>>This is self-evident and if you're insinuating I'm the one to blame I
>>>believe you're definitely unfair.
>>
>>no, i am not insinuating that. i just wish that when users come
>>knocking on ALSA's door, we had something better to show them than a
>>declarative syntax for a configuration file they can't imagine that
>>they need. i don't have the time, you don't have time, nobody, it
>>seems, has the time. so those of thus who know and love ALSA can do
>>good things with it, and others get to scratch their heads and ask
>>"what are these guys doing?"
> 
> 
> This was my prophecy written to SuSE and ALSA team more than 18 months
> ago. IIRC I wrote this also privately to you.
> 
> ALSA community (and I'm a guilty, senior member of it) has not (yet?)
> been able to make a supportable business of ALSA itself and this hurts.
> 
> I've felt the *desire* to develop ALSA furtherly for months (mix plugin,
> more scopes, network layer, callback model, etc.), ideas and improvement
> swarmed in my brain, while I had to use my time working for other things
> to pay my bills.
> 
> You know I've believed in ALSA value more than any other, but perhaps
> (and I underline _perhaps_) I was wrong.
> 
> If you put together skilful, most motivated people, a worthwhile (from
> the economic point of view) project, an interested active community and
> this mix is unable to found a supportable business, I might deduce one
> or more of the following:
> a) people are not skilful enough
> b) community is not interested enough
> c) project does not worth enough
> 
> Personally I'm trying to take back a) honestly and at best of my ability
> in my work life.
> 
> Others will do what they think best.
> 

We have been kind of hard on you recently Abramo. Possibly we are just 
trying to get a reaction. I am almost 100% certain that the problem lies 
in none of the above.

My opinion is that there is not enough people working on the promotional 
side of ALSA and Linux Audio. I wrote to LAD about this last week.

As an example the harmony central site doesn't even link to the alsa site.

I guess this problem could be explained under b) with a caveat. Instead 
of community it should say Promoters. Because AFAICT the community is 
definitely interested in ALSA.



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  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-18  3:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <3DAC1C6C000959C1@ims5a.libero.it>
2002-10-17 21:56 ` help for a levelmeter Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-18  3:25   ` Patrick Shirkey [this message]
2002-10-18  8:23     ` image problem [was Re: help for a levelmeter] Richard Bown
2002-10-18  8:27       ` Richard Bown
     [not found] <20021016220528.EF3E0E081@relay-4m.club-internet.fr>
2002-10-18  9:00 ` help for a levelmeter Laurent Georget
     [not found] <3DAC1C6C000947E6@ims5a.libero.it>
2002-10-17 21:24 ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-16 22:42 karsten wiese
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-10-15 21:15 Laurent Georget
2002-10-15 22:40 ` karsten wiese
2002-10-16 20:16   ` Laurent Georget
2002-10-17  7:10     ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-17 17:59       ` Jack O'Quin
2002-10-17 18:42         ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-10-17 20:48         ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-18  9:27           ` Laurent Georget
2002-10-18 12:27             ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-18 20:59               ` Laurent Georget

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