From: Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey@boosthardware.com>
To: Abramo Bagnara <abramo.bagnara@libero.it>
Cc: Devel Alsa <alsa-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: help for a levelmeter
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:25:42 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DAF7F36.20509@boosthardware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3DAF320E.9B3B6072@libero.it
Abramo Bagnara wrote:
> Paul Davis wrote:
>
>>>Paul Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>> [ ... ]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The rest is obvious, of course ;-)))
>>>>
>>>>i deeply and sincerely this was funny. but it isn't.
>>>
>>>What do you mean with that?
>>>
>>>Documentation has not been written for lack of funding and lack of
>>>volunteers.
>>>
>>>This is self-evident and if you're insinuating I'm the one to blame I
>>>believe you're definitely unfair.
>>
>>no, i am not insinuating that. i just wish that when users come
>>knocking on ALSA's door, we had something better to show them than a
>>declarative syntax for a configuration file they can't imagine that
>>they need. i don't have the time, you don't have time, nobody, it
>>seems, has the time. so those of thus who know and love ALSA can do
>>good things with it, and others get to scratch their heads and ask
>>"what are these guys doing?"
>
>
> This was my prophecy written to SuSE and ALSA team more than 18 months
> ago. IIRC I wrote this also privately to you.
>
> ALSA community (and I'm a guilty, senior member of it) has not (yet?)
> been able to make a supportable business of ALSA itself and this hurts.
>
> I've felt the *desire* to develop ALSA furtherly for months (mix plugin,
> more scopes, network layer, callback model, etc.), ideas and improvement
> swarmed in my brain, while I had to use my time working for other things
> to pay my bills.
>
> You know I've believed in ALSA value more than any other, but perhaps
> (and I underline _perhaps_) I was wrong.
>
> If you put together skilful, most motivated people, a worthwhile (from
> the economic point of view) project, an interested active community and
> this mix is unable to found a supportable business, I might deduce one
> or more of the following:
> a) people are not skilful enough
> b) community is not interested enough
> c) project does not worth enough
>
> Personally I'm trying to take back a) honestly and at best of my ability
> in my work life.
>
> Others will do what they think best.
>
We have been kind of hard on you recently Abramo. Possibly we are just
trying to get a reaction. I am almost 100% certain that the problem lies
in none of the above.
My opinion is that there is not enough people working on the promotional
side of ALSA and Linux Audio. I wrote to LAD about this last week.
As an example the harmony central site doesn't even link to the alsa site.
I guess this problem could be explained under b) with a caveat. Instead
of community it should say Promoters. Because AFAICT the community is
definitely interested in ALSA.
--
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Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2002-10-17 21:56 ` help for a levelmeter Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-18 3:25 ` Patrick Shirkey [this message]
2002-10-18 8:23 ` image problem [was Re: help for a levelmeter] Richard Bown
2002-10-18 8:27 ` Richard Bown
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2002-10-18 9:00 ` help for a levelmeter Laurent Georget
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2002-10-17 21:24 ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-16 22:42 karsten wiese
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-10-15 21:15 Laurent Georget
2002-10-15 22:40 ` karsten wiese
2002-10-16 20:16 ` Laurent Georget
2002-10-17 7:10 ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-17 17:59 ` Jack O'Quin
2002-10-17 18:42 ` Patrick Shirkey
2002-10-17 20:48 ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-18 9:27 ` Laurent Georget
2002-10-18 12:27 ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-18 20:59 ` Laurent Georget
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