User-space OSS emulation?

User-space OSS emulation?

[Timur Tabi]

Can someone tell me more about "user-space OSS emulation"?  I've read a few 
references to it in the mailing list archives, but a google search doesn't turn 
up anything useful.

-- 
Timur Tabi
Linux kernel developer at Freescale

Re: User-space OSS emulation?

[Lee Revell]

On Nov 8, 2007 5:33 PM, Timur Tabi <timur@freescale.com> wrote:
> Can someone tell me more about "user-space OSS emulation"?  I've read a few
> references to it in the mailing list archives, but a google search doesn't turn
> up anything useful.
>

Basically it uses LD_PRELOAD to redirect OSS API calls (ioctls) to the
alsa-lib equivalents.  man aoss for details on usage.

Lee

Re: User-space OSS emulation?

[Timur Tabi]

Lee Revell wrote:

> Basically it uses LD_PRELOAD to redirect OSS API calls (ioctls) to the
> alsa-lib equivalents.  man aoss for details on usage.

I don't have it installed, that's why I'm asking about it.  I can't seem to find 
the "aoss" web page, if there is one.

-- 
Timur Tabi
Linux kernel developer at Freescale

Re: User-space OSS emulation?

[Lee Revell]

On Nov 8, 2007 5:38 PM, Timur Tabi <timur@freescale.com> wrote:
> Lee Revell wrote:
>
> > Basically it uses LD_PRELOAD to redirect OSS API calls (ioctls) to the
> > alsa-lib equivalents.  man aoss for details on usage.
>
> I don't have it installed, that's why I'm asking about it.  I can't seem to find
> the "aoss" web page, if there is one.

Google "aoss alsa".

http://alsa.opensrc.org/Aoss

Lee

Re: User-space OSS emulation?

[Sean McNamara]

Lee Revell wrote:
> On Nov 8, 2007 5:38 PM, Timur Tabi <timur@freescale.com> wrote:
>   
>> Lee Revell wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Basically it uses LD_PRELOAD to redirect OSS API calls (ioctls) to the
>>> alsa-lib equivalents.  man aoss for details on usage.
>>>       
>> I don't have it installed, that's why I'm asking about it.  I can't seem to find
>> the "aoss" web page, if there is one.
>>     
>
> Google "aoss alsa".
>
> http://alsa.opensrc.org/Aoss
>
> Lee
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>   
Hi,

The Linspire/Freespire team has been working on a different approach to 
this problem. They have a kernel module called "forward-oss" (and 
accompanying userspace daemon, "forward") which is, in certain ways, 
less hackish (and in certain ways _more_ hackish ;)) than aoss.

1. It doesn't use LD_PRELOAD. Many apps are incompatible with LD_PRELOAD 
if, for example, they already use it themselves, or they're setuid.
2. It's an alternative to aoss. If aoss doesn't work with an app, 
forward-oss may be worth a try.
3. forward-oss was written in 2006/early-to-mid 07. But last I tried, 
forward-oss still compiles on very recent Debian kernels - 2.6.22 and 
2.6.23 - including non-Linspire kernels. No idea about vanilla or other 
distro-specific kernels.
4. It exposes a "real" /dev/dsp device for each ALSA soundcard, e.g. 
/dev/dsp1, /dev/dsp2, etc. No syscall interception is necessary.
5. The userspace daemon calls back into your alsa-lib stack, using the 
plugin layer for mixing or multiple channels or whatever you want. So in 
that sense, it has the same advantage as aoss, while both forward-oss 
and aoss differ from the standard ALSA in-kernel OSS emulation in this 
regard (snd_pcm_oss). snd_pcm_oss interfaces directly with the kernel 
stack, rather than looping back through the user's plugin chain (AFAIK, 
this is impossible without using a daemon like Linspire has done). So, 
if you have no hardware mixing, snd_pcm_oss either hogs the soundcard or 
fails to function while other apps are using ALSA.
6. For compatibility's sake with as many different environments as 
possible, it seems forward-oss has an advantage over LD_PRELOAD methods 
(i.e. it doesn't need to use LD_PRELOAD at all).
7. It's asking a lot more of the user to have a working kernel build 
environment, and proper privileges, to install forward-oss. So 
installation is less flexible than aoss, in a sense.
8. More stuff in the kernel = higher probability of 
conflicts/panics/oopses... you know the drill.

Also, if you've ever used any sound servers, almost all of them come 
with their own ugly duckling LD_PRELOAD hack: padsp for PulseAudio, 
esddsp (?) for eSounD, artsdsp for aRts, etc. All of them basically work 
with about 20% of all OSS applications ;) YMMV.

Just thought I'd share some other ways I've found to bridge the 
OSS<->ALSA gap, besides aoss and snd_pcm_oss...

-Sean