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From: Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@imgtec.com>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
	Neil Jones <neil.jones@imgtec.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/11] Add AXD Audio Processing IP driver
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:05:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <544FB0AC.4020205@imgtec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141028141348.GD18384@kroah.com>

On 10/28/2014 02:13 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 01:18:28PM +0000, Qais Yousef wrote:
>> On 10/28/2014 11:55 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
>>> Qais Yousef wrote:
>>>> AXD Audio Processing IP performs audio decoding, encoding, mixing, equalisation,
>>>> synchronisation and playback.
>>> What exactly do you mean with "synchronisation" and "playback"?
>> Synchronisation refers to accurate audio playout relative to a master
>> clock source including compensation of drift between the master clock
>> source and the playout clock of the audio hardware. Hence allowing
>> synchronised audio playout across multiple independent devices.
>>
>> Playback simple refers to the fact that AXD is capable of managing audio
>> playout hardware like I2S and SPDIF interfaces.
>>
>>
>>>> It doesn't fit in alsa subsystem but I Cced them to confirm.
>>> ... because those two words sound like something that a sound card could do.
>> The problem mainly stems from the fact that we take a variety of
>> compressed audio as input and we could perform audio encoding. The
>> problem with the compressed audio is that the range of decoders and
>> configuration supported in alsa is limited and there's no support for
>> taking raw pcm and producing compressed output. I'm not an expert on
>> alsa but when I looked it looked like there's more infra structure
>> required.
>>
>> The following not supported points from Documentation/sound/alsa/compress_offload.txt affect us:
>>
>> - Volume control/routing is not handled by this API. Devices exposing a
>>    compressed data interface will be considered as regular ALSA devices;
>>    volume changes and routing information will be provided with regular
>>    ALSA kcontrols.
>>
>> - Embedded audio effects. Such effects should be enabled in the same
>>    manner, no matter if the input was PCM or compressed.
>>
>> - Encoding/decoding acceleration is not supported as mentioned
>>    above. It is possible to route the output of a decoder to a capture
>>    stream, or even implement transcoding capabilities. This routing
>>    would be enabled with ALSA kcontrols.
> So instead you created a one-off api just for this hardware?  Ick, no,
> please work with the audio developers to incorporate it into the
> standard Linux audio apis so that everyone can benifit and not require
> special userspace programs to drive this hardware.
>
> thanks,
>
> greg k-h

OK. I'll wait to hear from alsa developers to see the extent of work 
required. I can't see it being trivial though. Would it be possible for 
this to be accepted into staging until this is resolved?

Thanks,
Qais

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-28 15:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-28 11:26 [PATCH 00/11] Add AXD Audio Processing IP driver Qais Yousef
2014-10-28 11:26 ` [PATCH 01/11] MAINTANERS: Add AXD as a supported driver Qais Yousef
2014-10-29  5:42   ` [alsa-devel] " Vinod Koul
2014-10-28 11:26 ` [PATCH 02/11] dt: bindings: add AXD Audio Processing IP binding document Qais Yousef
2014-10-28 11:26 ` [PATCH 03/11] drivers: char: add AXD Audio Processing IP driver Qais Yousef
2014-10-28 14:10   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]     ` <20141028141038.GA18384-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-28 14:36       ` Qais Yousef
     [not found]         ` <544FA9F7.1020101-1AXoQHu6uovQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-28 14:50           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29  5:33   ` [alsa-devel] " Vinod Koul
2014-10-28 11:26 ` [PATCH 04/11] drivers: char: axd: add fw binary header manipulation files Qais Yousef
2014-10-28 11:26 ` [PATCH 05/11] drivers: char: axd: add buffers " Qais Yousef
2014-10-28 11:26 ` [PATCH 06/11] drivers: char: axd: add basic files for sending/receiving axd cmds Qais Yousef
2014-10-28 11:26 ` [PATCH 07/11] drivers: char: axd: add cmd interfce helper functions Qais Yousef
2014-10-29  5:38   ` [alsa-devel] " Vinod Koul
2014-10-28 11:26 ` [PATCH 08/11] drivers: char: axd: add low level AXD platform setup files Qais Yousef
2014-10-28 11:26 ` [PATCH 09/11] drivers: char: axd: add sysfs " Qais Yousef
2014-10-28 14:11   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-28 14:38     ` Qais Yousef
2014-10-28 14:12   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-28 14:39     ` Qais Yousef
2014-10-29  5:41   ` [alsa-devel] " Vinod Koul
2014-10-28 11:26 ` [PATCH 10/11] drivers: char: axd: add ts interface file Qais Yousef
2014-10-28 11:26 ` [PATCH 11/11] drivers: char: axd: add Kconfig and Makefile Qais Yousef
2014-10-28 11:55 ` [PATCH 00/11] Add AXD Audio Processing IP driver Clemens Ladisch
2014-10-28 13:18   ` Qais Yousef
     [not found]     ` <544F97A4.7080209-1AXoQHu6uovQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-28 14:13       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-28 15:05         ` Qais Yousef [this message]
2014-10-29  2:50           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29  5:24             ` [alsa-devel] " Vinod Koul
2014-10-29 10:48               ` Qais Yousef
2014-10-29  5:20         ` Vinod Koul
2014-10-28 14:54     ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2014-10-28 15:33       ` Qais Yousef
2014-10-28 16:04         ` [alsa-devel] " Lars-Peter Clausen
2014-10-29  5:18     ` Vinod Koul
2014-10-29 15:06     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2014-10-28 12:06 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2014-10-28 13:21   ` Qais Yousef

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