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From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
To: "Symbolic Debugger" <happy.debugging@gmail.com>
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/37] ALSA: Add MIDI 2.0 support
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 15:58:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r0pdjkor.wl-tiwai@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <168916837549.20.16800242816564295866@mailman-web.alsa-project.org>

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 15:26:15 +0200,
Symbolic Debugger wrote:
> 
> A question about the implementation of notification messages (name, endpoint and function blocks)
> 
> The spec defines that these notification only get sent upon receiving a Discovery message. 
> 
> Does this mean that the ALSA driver will poll at specific intervals to send a discover message or  can the device send a notification even without a discovery message from the ALSA driver ? I could imagine a function block info / name, or endpoint info/ name or endpoint info change (i.e when the device changes the number of function block)

It's handled in ALSA UMP core code.  It doesn't poll but just
interprets each incoming UMP messages and responds to it (e.g. when a
notification comes from the device, ALSA core will update the
information accordingly to be visible to user-space).

The change of FB info is indeed allowed by the device, AFAIK.  And,
this can notify via the corresponding UMP Stream messages.  For
example, reassigning UMP Groups in a FB is a valid scenario, and this
will be informed via UMP Stream messages.  For the FBs that will never
change Groups, there is a "static blocks" flag (which was quite
recently introduced).  I guess most of devices mark this, as it's
compatible with the former MIDI 2.0 USB devices.

BTW, the USB MIDI 2.0 gadget function driver is under development.
It's almost ready, and my plan is to submit likely for 6.6 kernel
(that is, in the next week or so).  You can find the patches in
topic/midi20-gadget branch of my sound.git tree.


Takashi

      reply	other threads:[~2023-07-12 14:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-23  7:53 [PATCH v2 00/37] ALSA: Add MIDI 2.0 support Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 01/37] ALSA: rawmidi: Pass rawmidi directly to snd_rawmidi_kernel_open() Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 02/37] ALSA: rawmidi: Add ioctl callback to snd_rawmidi_global_ops Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 03/37] ALSA: rawmidi: UMP support Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 04/37] ALSA: rawmidi: Skip UMP devices at SNDRV_CTL_IOCTL_RAWMIDI_NEXT_DEVICE Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 05/37] ALSA: ump: Add ioctls to inquiry UMP EP and Block info via control API Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 06/37] ALSA: ump: Additional proc output Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 07/37] ALSA: usb-audio: Manage number of rawmidis globally Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 08/37] ALSA: usb-audio: Define USB MIDI 2.0 specs Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 09/37] ALSA: usb-audio: USB MIDI 2.0 UMP support Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 10/37] ALSA: usb-audio: Get UMP EP name string from USB interface Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 11/37] ALSA: usb-audio: Trim superfluous "MIDI" suffix from UMP EP name Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 12/37] ALSA: usb-audio: Create UMP blocks from USB MIDI GTBs Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 13/37] ALSA: ump: Redirect rawmidi substream access via own helpers Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 14/37] ALSA: ump: Add legacy raw MIDI support Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 15/37] ALSA: usb-audio: Enable the " Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 16/37] ALSA: usb-audio: Inform inconsistent protocols in GTBs Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 17/37] ALSA: seq: Clear padded bytes at expanding events Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 18/37] ALSA: seq: Add snd_seq_expand_var_event_at() helper Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 19/37] ALSA: seq: Treat snd_seq_client object directly in client drivers Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 20/37] ALSA: seq: Drop dead code for the old broadcast support Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 21/37] ALSA: seq: Check the conflicting port at port creation Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 22/37] ALSA: seq: Check validity before creating a port object Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 23/37] ALSA: seq: Prohibit creating ports with special numbers Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 24/37] ALSA: seq: Introduce SNDRV_SEQ_IOCTL_USER_PVERSION ioctl Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 25/37] ALSA: seq: Add UMP support Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 26/37] ALSA: seq: Add port inactive flag Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 27/37] ALSA: seq: Support MIDI 2.0 UMP Endpoint port Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 28/37] ALSA: seq: Add port direction to snd_seq_port_info Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 29/37] ALSA: seq: Add UMP group number " Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 30/37] ALSA: seq: Automatic conversion of UMP events Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 31/37] ALSA: seq: Allow suppressing UMP conversions Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 32/37] ALSA: seq: Bind UMP device Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 33/37] ALSA: seq: ump: Create UMP Endpoint port for broadcast Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 34/37] ALSA: seq: Add ioctls for client UMP info query and setup Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 35/37] ALSA: seq: Print UMP Endpoint and Block information in proc outputs Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 36/37] ALSA: seq: Add UMP group filter Takashi Iwai
2023-05-23  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 37/37] ALSA: docs: Add MIDI 2.0 documentation Takashi Iwai
2023-06-13 12:41 ` [PATCH v2 00/37] ALSA: Add MIDI 2.0 support happy.debugging
2023-06-13 12:53   ` Takashi Iwai
2023-06-13 13:24     ` Happy Debugging
2023-06-13 13:31       ` Takashi Iwai
2023-06-13 15:23         ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-06-14  6:01           ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-06-14  6:09             ` Takashi Iwai
2023-06-14  6:53               ` Takashi Iwai
2023-06-15 11:39                 ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-06-16 12:23                   ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-06-16 12:27                     ` Takashi Iwai
2023-06-16 14:17                       ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-06-17 15:07                         ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-06-18  8:54                           ` Takashi Iwai
2023-06-20 13:29                             ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-06-28  6:52                               ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-06-28 11:12                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2023-06-28 11:32                                   ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-06-28 14:20                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2023-06-29  2:03                                       ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-06-29  6:40                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2023-06-29  8:38                                           ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-07-03 10:15                                             ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-07-03 10:19                                               ` Takashi Iwai
2023-07-03 11:25                                                 ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-07-03 12:09                                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2023-07-03 12:54                                                     ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-07-03 13:01                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2023-07-03 13:53                                                         ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-07-12 13:26                                                           ` Symbolic Debugger
2023-07-12 13:58                                                             ` Takashi Iwai [this message]

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