From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9F5C433ED for ; Tue, 11 May 2021 09:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alsa0.perex.cz (alsa0.perex.cz [77.48.224.243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A9B86157F for ; Tue, 11 May 2021 09:10:47 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 5A9B86157F Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=angband.pl Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org Received: from alsa1.perex.cz (alsa1.perex.cz [207.180.221.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by alsa0.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A10361694; Tue, 11 May 2021 11:09:55 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 alsa0.perex.cz A10361694 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=alsa-project.org; s=default; t=1620724245; bh=5sTO59GF1KhWl+tm6o7V5AXWmZxHwG8qXgnGolXuwXY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Cc:List-Id: List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe: From; b=lRYYtkHF+Ser7ThStv3csBJIpH8JLQRIBrhwLd3W0LRrOEzNpJxJST3xMozik8jRO TGNt2EfJ+1fHHq1cSWgC+s1PUToCyzyb9TKzTvBCsG8l3f5vOubliznYjDivfRITyq OynTC27KqX28GsFDhj3Y6KjMfl2vGpUZUeklsOuw= Received: from alsa1.perex.cz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEA8F80431; Tue, 11 May 2021 11:08:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix, from userid 50401) id 89128F80240; Mon, 10 May 2021 23:59:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tartarus.angband.pl (tartarus.angband.pl [51.83.246.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF892F800E9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2021 23:59:29 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 alsa1.perex.cz EF892F800E9 Received: from kilobyte by tartarus.angband.pl with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1lgDtp-00EKjz-Lm; Mon, 10 May 2021 23:57:13 +0200 Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 23:57:13 +0200 From: Adam Borowski To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/53] Get rid of UTF-8 chars that can be mapped as ASCII Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Junkbait: aaron@angband.pl, zzyx@angband.pl X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: kilobyte@angband.pl X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on tartarus.angband.pl); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 11 May 2021 11:08:22 +0200 Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, Linux Doc Mailing List , linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-fpga@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, Jonathan Corbet , linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, coresight@lists.linaro.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org, mjpeg-users@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org X-BeenThere: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Alsa-devel mailing list for ALSA developers - http://www.alsa-project.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org Sender: "Alsa-devel" On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:26:12PM +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > There are several UTF-8 characters at the Kernel's documentation. [...] > Other UTF-8 characters were added along the time, but they're easily > replaceable by ASCII chars. > > As Linux developers are all around the globe, and not everybody has UTF-8 > as their default charset I'm not aware of a distribution that still allows selecting a non-UTF-8 charset in a normal flow in their installer. And if they haven't purged support for ancient encodings, that support is thoroughly bitrotten. Thus, I disagree that this is a legitimate concern. What _could_ be a legitimate reason is that someone is on a _terminal_ that can't display a wide enough set of glyphs. Such terminals are: • Linux console (because of vgacon limitations; patchsets to improve other cons haven't been mainlined) • some Windows terminals (putty, old Windows console) that can't borrow glyphs from other fonts like fontconfig can For the former, it's whatever your distribution ships in /usr/share/consolefonts/ or an equivalent, which is based on historic ISO-8859 and VT100 traditions. For the latter, the near-guaranteed character set is WGL4. Thus, at least two of your choices seem to disagree with the above: [dropped] > 0xd7 => 'x', # MULTIPLICATION SIGN [retained] > - U+2b0d ('⬍'): UP DOWN BLACK ARROW × is present in ISO-8859, V100, WGL4; I've found no font in /usr/share/consolefonts/ on my Debian unstable box that lacks this character. ⬍ is not found in any of the above. You might want to at least convert it to ↕ which is at least present in WGL4, and thus likely to be supported in fonts heeding Windows/Mac/OpenType recommendations. That still won't make it work on VT. Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ .--[ Makefile ] ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ # beware of races ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ all: pillage burn ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ `----