From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from alsa0.perex.cz (alsa0.perex.cz [77.48.224.243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CEB0EB64DC for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2023 10:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alsa1.perex.cz (alsa1.perex.cz [207.180.221.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by alsa0.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFD81AE9; Mon, 17 Jul 2023 12:20:42 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 alsa0.perex.cz CFD81AE9 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=alsa-project.org; s=default; t=1689589293; bh=K9JYc70aBEp1yj1YDWFjGd9wjPljODZ2XMElVtS9jEA=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:List-Id: List-Archive:List-Help:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fWbhBmRv6MSCcoP6yNpBFOkw3LZYNRx8P8GkVwST48zAsmhWKQfkdYvQcHJUGbDu/ GKj7w4EDA1Bhr2IC3sU92qy9YI+Yaz0ecqM2x1X7bQ/Q3VJQ4qEKplQh4NpmGKsErm 1ZGQ/Ickg8IG0Ef+goi641LNE9F9r0VcF9PHYfUc= Received: by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix, from userid 50401) id 4C6A6F800D2; Mon, 17 Jul 2023 12:20:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailman-core.alsa-project.org (mailman-core.alsa-project.org [10.254.200.10]) by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA8EF8047D; Mon, 17 Jul 2023 12:20:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix, from userid 50401) id 31E94F8047D; Mon, 17 Jul 2023 12:20:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bluemchen.kde.org (bluemchen.kde.org [209.51.188.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CB4AF8027B for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2023 12:19:54 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 alsa1.perex.cz 6CB4AF8027B Received: from ugly.fritz.box (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bluemchen.kde.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB2723F0B; Mon, 17 Jul 2023 06:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ugly.fritz.box (masqmail 0.3.6-dev, from userid 1000) id 1qLLKX-h8e-00; Mon, 17 Jul 2023 12:19:49 +0200 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 12:19:49 +0200 From: Oswald Buddenhagen To: Takashi Iwai Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, Jaroslav Kysela Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/8] ALSA: emu10k1: add support for high-bitrate modes of E-MU cards Message-ID: References: <20230630144542.664190-1-oswald.buddenhagen@gmx.de> <87sf9vyfer.wl-tiwai@suse.de> <87mt02wvsa.wl-tiwai@suse.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87mt02wvsa.wl-tiwai@suse.de> Message-ID-Hash: 6V3LHAMBBJ5Q44FK22TJZDNM5W2PFE54 X-Message-ID-Hash: 6V3LHAMBBJ5Q44FK22TJZDNM5W2PFE54 X-MailFrom: ossi@kde.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-alsa-devel.alsa-project.org-0; header-match-alsa-devel.alsa-project.org-1; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Alsa-devel mailing list for ALSA developers - http://www.alsa-project.org" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 01:08:05PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote: >On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 12:15:31 +0200, >Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 05:06:36PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote: >> > I still can't agree with the basic design using the dynamic kctl >> > addition / deletion in kcontrol's put action. >> > >> you are not being constructive. please provide specific, actionable >> responses to _all_ challenges/questions. > >The fundamental idea to add / delete the kctls from the put callback >is unacceptable; as repeated many times, this is known to break >existing applications. As long as you are sticking with this idea, it >can go [no] further. Please avoid it and use the (more or less) static >configuration instead. > to put the implications of this in clear words: you want me to spend additional time on a driver barely anyone still cares about to actively degrade the (my!) user experience to avoid hypothetical / likely obsolete crashes that would happen upon a rare user-controlled event in unspecified buggy (mixer? (!)) applications, while a known-good fallback exists (alsamixer). i fail to see how that is even _remotely_ a reasonable request, and therefore have no intention whatsoever to follow it. regards