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From: "Michel Dänzer" <michel-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Leo Li <sunpeng.li-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
Cc: amd-gfx-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH xf86-video-amdgpu 3/5] Keep CRTC properties consistent
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 10:39:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4cd3224e-fd14-e66f-56bf-b983b8f74bc8@daenzer.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0b884ad3-c193-9eab-ca93-ff0ca0672f1e-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>

On 2018-04-10 08:02 PM, Leo Li wrote:
> On 2018-04-09 11:03 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote:
>> On 2018-03-26 10:00 PM, sunpeng.li@amd.com wrote:
>>> From: "Leo (Sunpeng) Li" <sunpeng.li@amd.com>
>>>
>>> In cases where CRTC properties are updated without going through
>>> RRChangeOutputProperty, we don't update the properties in user land.
>>>
>>> Consider setting legacy gamma. It doesn't go through
>>> RRChangeOutputProperty, but modifies the CRTC's color management
>>> properties. Unless they are updated, the user properties will remain
>>> stale.
>>
>> Can you describe a bit more how the legacy gamma and the new properties
>> interact?
>>
> 
> Sure thing, I'll include this in the message for v2:
> 
> In kernel, the legacy set gamma interface is essentially an adapter to
> the non-legacy set properties interface. In the end, they both set the
> same property to a DRM property blob, which contains the gamma lookup
> table. The key difference between them is how this blob is created.
> 
> For legacy gamma, the kernel takes 3 arrays from user-land, and creates
> the blob using them. Note that a blob is identified by it's blob_id.
> 
> For non-legacy gamma, the kernel takes a blob_id from user-land that
> references the blob. This means user-land is responsible for creating
> the blob.
> 
> From the perspective of RandR, this presents some problems. Since both
> paths modify the same property, RandR must keep the reported property
> value up-to-date with which ever path is used:
> 
> 1. Legacy gamma via
> xrandr --output <output_here> --gamma x:x:x
> 2. Non-legacy color properties via
> xrandr --output <output_here> --set GAMMA_LUT <blob_id>
> 
> Keeping the value up-to-date isn't a problem for 2, since RandR updates
> it for us as part of changing output properties.
> 
> But if 1 is used, the property blob is created within kernel, and RandR
> is unaware of the new blob_id. To update it, we need to ask kernel about
> it.
> 
> --- continue with rest of message ---
>>
>>> Therefore, add a function to update user CRTC properties by querying
>>> DRM,
>>> and call it whenever legacy gamma is changed.
>>
>> Note that drmmode_crtc_gamma_do_set is called from
>> drmmode_set_mode_major, i.e. on every modeset or under some
>> circumstances when a DRI3 client stops page flipping.
>>
> 
> The property will have to be updated each time the legacy set gamma
> ioctl is called, since a new blob (with a new blob_id) is created each
> time.
> 
> Not sure if this is a good idea, but perhaps we can have a flag that
> explicitly enable one or the other, depending on user preference? A
> user-only property with something like:
> 
> 0: Use legacy gamma, calls to change non-legacy properties are ignored.
> 1: Use non-legacy, calls to legacy gamma will be ignored.
> 
> On 0, we can remove/disable all non-legacy properties from the property
> list, and avoid having to update them. On 1, we'll enable the
> properties, and won't have to update them either since legacy gamma is
> "disabled". It has the added benefit of avoiding unexpected legacy gamma
> sets when using non-legacy, and vice versa.

Hmm. So either legacy or non-legacy clients won't work at all, or
they'll step on each other's toes, clobbering the HW gamma LUT from each
other.

I'm afraid neither of those alternatives sound like a good user
experience to me.

Consider on the one hand something like Night Light / redshift, using
legacy APIs to adjust colour temperature to the time of day. On the
other hand, another client using the non-legacy API for say fine-tuning
of a display's advanced gamma capabilities.

Ideally, in this case the gamma LUTs from the legacy and non-legacy APIs
should be combined, such that the hardware LUT reflects both the colour
temperature set by Night Light / refshift and the fine-tuning set by the
non-legacy client. Is that feasible? If not, can you explain a little why?


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-04-11  8:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-26 20:00 [PATCH xf86-video-amdgpu 0/5] Implementing non-legacy color management sunpeng.li-5C7GfCeVMHo
     [not found] ` <1522094418-9102-1-git-send-email-sunpeng.li-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-26 20:00   ` [PATCH xf86-video-amdgpu 1/5] Add functions for changing CRTC color management properties sunpeng.li-5C7GfCeVMHo
     [not found]     ` <1522094418-9102-2-git-send-email-sunpeng.li-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-09 15:03       ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]         ` <0f5652b1-82af-23a2-969e-0e47844fef28-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-10 18:02           ` Leo Li
     [not found]             ` <25c493fd-dfa3-1549-6d7c-30790d48acae-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-11  8:39               ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]                 ` <90b36645-a08a-b36d-2e76-64ad9709b1a8-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-11 21:26                   ` Leo Li
2018-03-26 20:00   ` [PATCH xf86-video-amdgpu 2/5] Hook up CRTC color management functions sunpeng.li-5C7GfCeVMHo
     [not found]     ` <1522094418-9102-3-git-send-email-sunpeng.li-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-09 15:03       ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]         ` <01457540-fbc7-b608-4aee-5df18f7a7dde-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-10 18:02           ` Leo Li
     [not found]             ` <8994afe3-812f-432f-27ef-ab5db3513d15-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-11  8:48               ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]                 ` <ce29def3-b0f5-3c4a-cd3f-ca3c61770f81-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-11 21:26                   ` Leo Li
2018-03-26 20:00   ` [PATCH xf86-video-amdgpu 3/5] Keep CRTC properties consistent sunpeng.li-5C7GfCeVMHo
     [not found]     ` <1522094418-9102-4-git-send-email-sunpeng.li-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-09 15:03       ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]         ` <2fbbae9b-c874-7187-9b69-0a929dcaf5cf-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-10 18:02           ` Leo Li
     [not found]             ` <0b884ad3-c193-9eab-ca93-ff0ca0672f1e-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-11  8:39               ` Michel Dänzer [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <4cd3224e-fd14-e66f-56bf-b983b8f74bc8-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-11 21:26                   ` Leo Li
     [not found]                     ` <78b780f2-d075-9496-e62a-8f6de989b992-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-12 10:30                       ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]                         ` <cc580a31-0679-5492-afff-2ff683ca975d-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-12 16:48                           ` Leo Li
     [not found]                             ` <f915a0db-4756-91de-e9dd-336da66060e6-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-13  9:12                               ` Michel Dänzer
2018-03-26 20:00   ` [PATCH xf86-video-amdgpu 4/5] Enable configure & change helper to handle enums sunpeng.li-5C7GfCeVMHo
     [not found]     ` <1522094418-9102-5-git-send-email-sunpeng.li-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-09 15:03       ` Michel Dänzer
2018-03-26 20:00   ` [PATCH xf86-video-amdgpu 5/5] Modify output_create_resources to use configure & change helper sunpeng.li-5C7GfCeVMHo
2018-04-09 14:10   ` [PATCH xf86-video-amdgpu 0/5] Implementing non-legacy color management Michel Dänzer
     [not found]     ` <53e9ea09-8b20-70fd-b7ef-c0219d46bdcc-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-10 18:02       ` Leo Li

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