From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrey Grodzovsky <Andrey.Grodzovsky@amd.com>,
christian.koenig@amd.com, David.Panariti@amd.com,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Alexander.Deucher@amd.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] drm/scheduler: Don't call wait_event_killable for signaled process.
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:25:47 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k1so8xv8.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c3c9787d-b279-8169-43d1-74eeb666ffbd@gmail.com> ("Christian \=\?utf-8\?Q\?K\=C3\=B6nig\=22's\?\= message of "Mon, 30 Apr 2018 14:08:44 +0200")
Christian König <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com> writes:
> Hi Eric,
>
> sorry for the late response, was on vacation last week.
>
> Am 26.04.2018 um 02:01 schrieb Eric W. Biederman:
>> Andrey Grodzovsky <Andrey.Grodzovsky@amd.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 04/25/2018 01:17 PM, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>>>> On 04/25, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>>> here (drm_sched_entity_fini) is also a bad idea, but we still want to be
>>>>> able to exit immediately
>>>>> and not wait for GPU jobs completion when the reason for reaching this code
>>>>> is because of KILL
>>>>> signal to the user process who opened the device file.
>>>> Can you hook f_op->flush method?
>
> THANKS! That sounds like a really good idea to me and we haven't investigated
> into that direction yet.
For the backwards compatibility concerns you cite below the flush method
seems a much better place to introduce the wait. You at least really
will be in a process context for that. Still might be in exit but at
least you will be legitimately be in a process.
>>> But this one is called for each task releasing a reference to the the file, so
>>> not sure I see how this solves the problem.
>> The big question is why do you need to wait during the final closing a
>> file?
>
> As always it's because of historical reasons. Initially user space pushed
> commands directly to a hardware queue and when a processes finished we didn't
> need to wait for anything.
>
> Then the GPU scheduler was introduced which delayed pushing the jobs to the
> hardware queue to a later point in time.
>
> This wait was then added to maintain backward compability and not break
> userspace (but see below).
That make sense.
>> The wait can be terminated so the wait does not appear to be simply a
>> matter of correctness.
>
> Well when the process is killed we don't care about correctness any more, we
> just want to get rid of it as quickly as possible (OOM situation etc...).
>
> But it is perfectly possible that a process submits some render commands and
> then calls exit() or terminates because of a SIGTERM, SIGINT etc.. In this case
> we need to wait here to make sure that all rendering is pushed to the hardware
> because the scheduler might need resources/settings from the file
> descriptor.
>
> For example if you just remove that wait you could close firefox and get garbage
> on the screen for a millisecond because the remaining rendering commands where
> not executed.
>
> So what we essentially need is to distinct between a SIGKILL (which means stop
> processing as soon as possible) and any other reason because then we don't want
> to annoy the user with garbage on the screen (even if it's just for a few
> milliseconds).
I see a couple of issues.
- Running the code in release rather than in flush.
Using flush will catch every close so it should be more backwards
compatible. f_op->flush always runs in process context so looking at
current makes sense.
- Distinguishing between death by SIGKILL and other process exit deaths.
In f_op->flush the code can test "((tsk->flags & PF_EXITING) &&
(tsk->code == SIGKILL))" to see if it was SIGKILL that terminated
the process.
- Dealing with stuck queues (where this patchset came in).
For stuck queues you are going to need a timeout instead of the current
indefinite wait after PF_EXITING is set. From what you have described a
few milliseconds should be enough. If PF_EXITING is not set you can
still just make the wait killable and skip the timeout if that will give
a better backwards compatible user experience.
What can't be done is try and catch SIGKILL after a process has called
do_exit. A dead process is a dead process.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-04-30 16:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-04-24 15:30 Avoid uninterruptible sleep during process exit Andrey Grodzovsky
[not found] ` <1524583836-12130-1-git-send-email-andrey.grodzovsky-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 15:30 ` [PATCH 1/3] signals: Allow generation of SIGKILL to exiting task Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 16:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-24 16:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87y3hca73s.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 16:51 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 17:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-25 13:13 ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-04-24 15:30 ` [PATCH 2/3] drm/scheduler: Don't call wait_event_killable for signaled process Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 15:46 ` Michel Dänzer
2018-04-24 15:52 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
[not found] ` <7313704c-0693-0bb9-8818-99cd2b7c0ca0-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 15:51 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 19:44 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-24 21:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <20180424194418.GE25142-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 21:02 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 21:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87tvs05mik.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 21:37 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 22:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-25 7:14 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 13:08 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-25 15:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-25 16:13 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-25 16:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-24 21:40 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 13:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-04-25 13:36 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 14:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-04-25 13:43 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 16:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87muxsbmkp.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 16:43 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 17:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-25 13:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20180425135552.GD7592-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-25 14:21 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-25 17:17 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20180425171757.GA10441-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-25 18:40 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-26 0:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <874ljyu98e.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-26 12:34 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
[not found] ` <611911a3-2858-200c-d5f8-679c5f41ee3a-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-26 12:52 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-26 15:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87zi1qq7t1.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-26 20:43 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-30 12:08 ` Christian König
[not found] ` <c3c9787d-b279-8169-43d1-74eeb666ffbd-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-30 14:32 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
[not found] ` <bceb1a1b-c453-782d-5a7d-40fa2f22c813-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-30 15:25 ` Christian König
2018-04-30 16:00 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20180430160006.GB10583-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-30 16:10 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
[not found] ` <e5b0221d-84ba-10ff-4a58-4fa27c99650f-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-30 18:29 ` Christian König
[not found] ` <bb224134-7ccb-cc87-9a71-3ef1743eb074-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-30 19:28 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
[not found] ` <79b2ce10-2cd7-b6f2-551e-0b4ae21072af-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-02 11:48 ` Christian König
2018-05-01 14:35 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20180501143524.GA13017-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-23 15:08 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-30 15:29 ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-04-30 16:25 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
[not found] ` <87k1so8xv8.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-30 17:18 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-25 13:05 ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-04-24 15:30 ` [PATCH 3/3] drm/amdgpu: Switch to interrupted wait to recover from ring hang Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 16:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <8736zkd1jz.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 16:38 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
[not found] ` <1524583836-12130-4-git-send-email-andrey.grodzovsky-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 15:52 ` Panariti, David
[not found] ` <DM5PR12MB244017F98FC732EB5DD86E0395880-2J9CzHegvk/fqmGed1UJxwdYzm3356FpvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 15:58 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
[not found] ` <b4309ea4-c1a0-5811-040b-4390ce6f297f-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 16:20 ` Panariti, David
2018-04-24 16:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87bme8bm9g.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-25 17:17 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-25 20:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87h8nzt39f.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-26 12:28 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-30 11:34 ` Christian König
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