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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrey Grodzovsky <Andrey.Grodzovsky@amd.com>,
	christian.koenig@amd.com, David.Panariti@amd.com,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexander.Deucher@amd.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] drm/scheduler: Don't call wait_event_killable for signaled process.
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:25:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k1so8xv8.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c3c9787d-b279-8169-43d1-74eeb666ffbd@gmail.com> ("Christian \=\?utf-8\?Q\?K\=C3\=B6nig\=22's\?\= message of "Mon, 30 Apr 2018 14:08:44 +0200")

Christian König <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Eric,
>
> sorry for the late response, was on vacation last week.
>
> Am 26.04.2018 um 02:01 schrieb Eric W. Biederman:
>> Andrey Grodzovsky <Andrey.Grodzovsky@amd.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 04/25/2018 01:17 PM, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>>>> On 04/25, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>>> here (drm_sched_entity_fini) is also a bad idea, but we still want to be
>>>>> able to exit immediately
>>>>> and not wait for GPU jobs completion when the reason for reaching this code
>>>>> is because of KILL
>>>>> signal to the user process who opened the device file.
>>>> Can you hook f_op->flush method?
>
> THANKS! That sounds like a really good idea to me and we haven't investigated
> into that direction yet.

For the backwards compatibility concerns you cite below the flush method
seems a much better place to introduce the wait.  You at least really
will be in a process context for that.  Still might be in exit but at
least you will be legitimately be in a process.

>>> But this one is called for each task releasing a reference to the the file, so
>>> not sure I see how this solves the problem.
>> The big question is why do you need to wait during the final closing a
>> file?
>
> As always it's because of historical reasons. Initially user space pushed
> commands directly to a hardware queue and when a processes finished we didn't
> need to wait for anything.
>
> Then the GPU scheduler was introduced which delayed pushing the jobs to the
> hardware queue to a later point in time.
>
> This wait was then added to maintain backward compability and not break
> userspace (but see below).

That make sense.

>> The wait can be terminated so the wait does not appear to be simply a
>> matter of correctness.
>
> Well when the process is killed we don't care about correctness any more, we
> just want to get rid of it as quickly as possible (OOM situation etc...).
>
> But it is perfectly possible that a process submits some render commands and
> then calls exit() or terminates because of a SIGTERM, SIGINT etc.. In this case
> we need to wait here to make sure that all rendering is pushed to the hardware
> because the scheduler might need resources/settings from the file
> descriptor.
>
> For example if you just remove that wait you could close firefox and get garbage
> on the screen for a millisecond because the remaining rendering commands where
> not executed.
>
> So what we essentially need is to distinct between a SIGKILL (which means stop
> processing as soon as possible) and any other reason because then we don't want
> to annoy the user with garbage on the screen (even if it's just for a few
> milliseconds).

I see a couple of issues.

- Running the code in release rather than in flush.

Using flush will catch every close so it should be more backwards
compatible.  f_op->flush always runs in process context so looking at
current makes sense.

- Distinguishing between death by SIGKILL and other process exit deaths.

In f_op->flush the code can test "((tsk->flags & PF_EXITING) &&
(tsk->code == SIGKILL))" to see if it was SIGKILL that terminated
the process.

- Dealing with stuck queues (where this patchset came in).

For stuck queues you are going to need a timeout instead of the current
indefinite wait after PF_EXITING is set.  From what you have described a
few milliseconds should be enough.  If PF_EXITING is not set you can
still just make the wait killable and skip the timeout if that will give
a better backwards compatible user experience.

What can't be done is try and catch SIGKILL after a process has called
do_exit.  A dead process is a dead process.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-04-30 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-24 15:30 Avoid uninterruptible sleep during process exit Andrey Grodzovsky
     [not found] ` <1524583836-12130-1-git-send-email-andrey.grodzovsky-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 15:30   ` [PATCH 1/3] signals: Allow generation of SIGKILL to exiting task Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 16:10     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-24 16:42     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]       ` <87y3hca73s.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 16:51         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 17:29           ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-25 13:13     ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-04-24 15:30   ` [PATCH 2/3] drm/scheduler: Don't call wait_event_killable for signaled process Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 15:46     ` Michel Dänzer
2018-04-24 15:52       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
     [not found]       ` <7313704c-0693-0bb9-8818-99cd2b7c0ca0-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 15:51         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 19:44         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-24 21:00           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <20180424194418.GE25142-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 21:02             ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 21:21               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <87tvs05mik.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 21:37                   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 22:11                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-25  7:14                     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 13:08                       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-25 15:29                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-25 16:13                           ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-25 16:31                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-24 21:40               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 13:22                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-04-25 13:36                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 14:18                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-04-25 13:43                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 16:23     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]       ` <87muxsbmkp.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 16:43         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 17:12           ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-25 13:55             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]               ` <20180425135552.GD7592-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-25 14:21                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-25 17:17                   ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                     ` <20180425171757.GA10441-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-25 18:40                       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-26  0:01                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                           ` <874ljyu98e.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-26 12:34                             ` Andrey Grodzovsky
     [not found]                               ` <611911a3-2858-200c-d5f8-679c5f41ee3a-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-26 12:52                                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-26 15:57                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                     ` <87zi1qq7t1.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-26 20:43                                       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-30 12:08                             ` Christian König
     [not found]                               ` <c3c9787d-b279-8169-43d1-74eeb666ffbd-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-30 14:32                                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
     [not found]                                   ` <bceb1a1b-c453-782d-5a7d-40fa2f22c813-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-30 15:25                                     ` Christian König
2018-04-30 16:00                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                     ` <20180430160006.GB10583-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-30 16:10                                       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
     [not found]                                         ` <e5b0221d-84ba-10ff-4a58-4fa27c99650f-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-30 18:29                                           ` Christian König
     [not found]                                             ` <bb224134-7ccb-cc87-9a71-3ef1743eb074-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-30 19:28                                               ` Andrey Grodzovsky
     [not found]                                                 ` <79b2ce10-2cd7-b6f2-551e-0b4ae21072af-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-02 11:48                                                   ` Christian König
2018-05-01 14:35                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                           ` <20180501143524.GA13017-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-23 15:08                                             ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-30 15:29                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-04-30 16:25                               ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
     [not found]                                 ` <87k1so8xv8.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-30 17:18                                   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-25 13:05     ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-04-24 15:30   ` [PATCH 3/3] drm/amdgpu: Switch to interrupted wait to recover from ring hang Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-24 16:14     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]       ` <8736zkd1jz.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 16:38         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
     [not found]     ` <1524583836-12130-4-git-send-email-andrey.grodzovsky-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 15:52       ` Panariti, David
     [not found]         ` <DM5PR12MB244017F98FC732EB5DD86E0395880-2J9CzHegvk/fqmGed1UJxwdYzm3356FpvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 15:58           ` Andrey Grodzovsky
     [not found]             ` <b4309ea4-c1a0-5811-040b-4390ce6f297f-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 16:20               ` Panariti, David
2018-04-24 16:30                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                   ` <87bme8bm9g.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-25 17:17                     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-25 20:55                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                         ` <87h8nzt39f.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-26 12:28                           ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-04-30 11:34       ` Christian König

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