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From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>
To: Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>
Cc: "Caterina Shablia" <caterina.shablia@collabora.com>,
	"Maarten Lankhorst" <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	"Maxime Ripard" <mripard@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	"David Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>,
	"Simona Vetter" <simona@ffwll.ch>,
	"Frank Binns" <frank.binns@imgtec.com>,
	"Matt Coster" <matt.coster@imgtec.com>,
	"Karol Herbst" <kherbst@redhat.com>,
	"Lyude Paul" <lyude@redhat.com>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Liviu Dudau" <liviu.dudau@arm.com>,
	"Lucas De Marchi" <lucas.demarchi@intel.com>,
	"Thomas Hellström" <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>,
	"Rodrigo Vivi" <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org,
	asahi@lists.linux.dev, "Asahi Lina" <lina@asahilina.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/7] drm/panthor: Add support for atomic page table updates
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 17:15:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250821171519.7224f470@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9445754d-28d2-4c95-a2f8-b850032b99d1@arm.com>

On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 16:02:09 +0100
Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com> wrote:

> On 21/08/2025 12:51, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 16:43:24 +0100
> > Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com> wrote:  
> [...]
> >> Although in general I'm a bit wary of relying on the whole lock region
> >> feature - previous GPUs have an errata. But maybe I'm being over
> >> cautious there.  
> > 
> > We're heavily relying on it already to allow updates of the VM while
> > the GPU is executing stuff. If that's problematic on v10+, I'd rather
> > know early :D.  
> 
> I think I'm just scarred by my experiences over a decade ago... ;)
> 
> I'm not aware of any issues with the modern[1] GPUs. The issue used to
> be that the lock region could get accidentally unlocked by a cache flush
> from another source - specifically the cache flush on job start flag.
> 
> It's also not a major issue if you keep the page tables consistent, the
> lock region in theory allows a region to be in an inconsistent state -
> but generally there's no need for that. AFAIK we mostly keep the tables
> consistent anyway.

Right, it's not a problem until we introduce sparse binding support, at
which point atomicity becomes important, and given remapping is not a
thing the io-pagetable layer provides (remap has to be unmap+map), I
need to rely on region locking to make it work, or we'll have to eat the
fault-but-not-really-because-its-being-remapped overhead/complexity.
Honestly, I'd rather rely on region locking if it's working, because
it's far simpler ;-).

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-21 15:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-07 17:04 [PATCH v4 0/7] drm/panthor: support repeated mappings Caterina Shablia
2025-07-07 17:04 ` [PATCH v4 1/7] drm/panthor: Add support for atomic page table updates Caterina Shablia
2025-07-11 13:30   ` Steven Price
2025-07-15 15:08     ` Caterina Shablia
2025-07-15 15:33       ` Caterina Shablia
2025-07-16 15:43         ` Steven Price
2025-08-21 11:51           ` Boris Brezillon
2025-08-21 15:02             ` Steven Price
2025-08-21 15:15               ` Boris Brezillon [this message]
2025-07-15 16:09       ` Caterina Shablia
2025-07-16 15:53         ` Steven Price
2025-08-21 11:36     ` Boris Brezillon
2025-07-07 17:04 ` [PATCH v4 2/7] drm/gpuvm: Kill drm_gpuva_init() Caterina Shablia
2025-07-07 18:41   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-11 13:30   ` Steven Price
2025-07-07 17:04 ` [PATCH v4 3/7] drm/gpuvm: Pass map arguments through a struct Caterina Shablia
2025-07-07 18:44   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-21 11:53     ` Boris Brezillon
2025-07-07 17:04 ` [PATCH v4 4/7] drm/gpuvm: Add a helper to check if two VA can be merged Caterina Shablia
2025-07-07 19:00   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-07 19:06     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-21 12:18       ` Boris Brezillon
2025-08-21 12:06     ` Boris Brezillon
2025-07-22 19:17   ` Adrian Larumbe
2025-08-21 11:54     ` Boris Brezillon
2025-07-07 17:04 ` [PATCH v4 5/7] drm/gpuvm: Add a flags field to drm_gpuvm_map_req/drm_gpuva_op_map Caterina Shablia
2025-07-07 19:03   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-22 19:21   ` Adrian Larumbe
2025-08-21 12:21     ` Boris Brezillon
2025-07-07 17:04 ` [PATCH v4 6/7] drm/gpuvm: Add DRM_GPUVA_REPEAT flag and logic Caterina Shablia
2025-07-07 19:33   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-21 12:29     ` Boris Brezillon
2025-07-07 17:04 ` [PATCH v4 7/7] drm/panthor: Add support for repeated mappings Caterina Shablia
2025-07-11 14:03   ` Steven Price
2025-07-15 15:17     ` Caterina Shablia
2025-07-16 15:59       ` Steven Price

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