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From: Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>
To: Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>
Cc: Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	 Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	 Matthew Maurer <mmaurer@google.com>,
	Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	 Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,  Petr Pavlu <petr.pavlu@suse.com>,
	Neal Gompa <neal@gompa.dev>,  Hector Martin <marcan@marcan.st>,
	Janne Grunau <j@jannau.net>,  Asahi Linux <asahi@lists.linux.dev>,
	linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org,  rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 16/19] gendwarfksyms: Add support for reserved structure fields
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 11:34:16 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.21.2408301114000.1124@pobox.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240815173903.4172139-37-samitolvanen@google.com>

Hi,

On Thu, 15 Aug 2024, Sami Tolvanen wrote:

> Distributions that want to maintain a stable kABI need the ability to
> add reserved fields to kernel data structures that they anticipate
> will be modified during the ABI support timeframe, either by LTS
> updates or backports.
> 
> With genksyms, developers would typically hide changes to the reserved
> fields from version calculation with #ifndef __GENKSYMS__, which would
> result in the symbol version not changing even though the actual type
> of the reserved field changes. When we process precompiled object
> files, this is again not an option.
> 
> To support stable symbol versions for reserved fields, change the
> union type processing to recognize field name prefixes, and if the
> union contains a field name that starts with __kabi_reserved, only use
> the type of that field for computing symbol versions. In other words,
> let's assume we have a structure where we want to reserve space for
> future changes:
> 
>   struct struct1 {
>     long a;
>     long __kabi_reserved_0; /* reserved for future use */
>   };
>   struct struct1 exported;
> 
> gendwarfksyms --debug produces the following output:
> 
>   variable structure_type struct1 {
>     member base_type long int byte_size(8) encoding(5) data_member_location(0),
>     member base_type long int byte_size(8) encoding(5) data_member_location(8),
>   } byte_size(16);
>   #SYMVER exported 0x67997f89
> 
> To take the reserved field into use, a distribution would replace it
> with a union, with one of the fields keeping the __kabi_reserved name
> prefix for the original type:
> 
>   struct struct1 {
>     long a;
>     union {
>       long __kabi_reserved_0;
>       struct {
>           int b;
>           int v;
>       };
>     };

yes, this is one of the approaches we use in SLES. We add kabi paddings 
to some structures in advance (see [1] as a random example) and then use 
it later if needed.

It is not the only approach. Much more often we do not have a padding and 
use alignment holes ([5]), addition of a new member to the end of a 
structure ([2] or [3]) and such "tricks" ([4] for a newly fully defined 
structure).

It is not feasible to add kabi paddings to all structures. We also have a 
different approach to kabi in terms of its coverage than RHEL does for 
example (as far as I know).

Not sure if it is interesting to upstream but I wanted to mention that it 
is not only about the ability to add reserved fields to kernel structures 
in practice.

Regards,
Miroslav

[1] https://github.com/SUSE/kernel-source/blob/SLE15-SP6/patches.suse/crypto-add-suse_kabi_padding.patch
[2] https://github.com/SUSE/kernel-source/blob/SLE15-SP6/patches.kabi/0001-iommu-Add-static-iommu_ops-release_domain.patch
[3] https://github.com/SUSE/kernel-source/blob/SLE15-SP6/patches.kabi/nfs-Block-on-write-congestion-kabi-fixup.patch.
[4] https://github.com/SUSE/kernel-source/blob/SLE15-SP6/patches.kabi/of-kabi-workaround.patch
[5] https://github.com/SUSE/kernel-source/blob/SLE15-SP6/patches.kabi/KVM-x86-Snapshot-if-a-vCPU-s-vendor-model-is-AMD-vs..patch

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-08-30  9:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-15 17:39 [PATCH v2 00/19] Implement DWARF modversions Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 01/19] tools: Add gendwarfksyms Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-16  7:14   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-27 16:44     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-26 17:41   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-26 18:47     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 12:31       ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-28 21:28         ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 17:45   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 21:32     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-05  2:29   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-05 20:52     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-10  9:43       ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-10 21:09         ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 02/19] gendwarfksyms: Add symbol list handling Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-27  9:16   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-27 18:47     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 12:35   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-28 23:09     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-02  9:52       ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-28 18:16   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 21:50     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-01 10:59   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-04 20:51     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 03/19] gendwarfksyms: Add address matching Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-27 12:40   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-27 21:28     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 18:22   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 21:56     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-01 11:10   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-04 20:48     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 04/19] gendwarfksyms: Add support for type pointers Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28  6:50   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28  7:15     ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 21:58       ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 05/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand base_type Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 12:46   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-28 22:19     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 06/19] gendwarfksyms: Add a cache for processed DIEs Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 18:15   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 22:27     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-02 10:05   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-05 17:19     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 07/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand type modifiers and typedefs Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 08/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand subroutine_type Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-03 15:11   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-05 17:22     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 09/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand array_type Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 10/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand structure types Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 11/19] gendwarfksyms: Limit structure expansion Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-03 15:15   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-05 18:15     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 12/19] gendwarfksyms: Add die_map debugging Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 13/19] gendwarfksyms: Add symtypes output Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-10 14:58   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-10 21:15     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 14/19] gendwarfksyms: Add symbol versioning Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-11 10:08   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-11 16:03     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-12 10:28       ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 15/19] gendwarfksyms: Add support for declaration-only data structures Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 16/19] gendwarfksyms: Add support for reserved structure fields Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-16  7:20   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-16 15:50     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-17  7:41       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-17 13:19         ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-19 18:25           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-19 21:46             ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-19 19:38           ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-19 22:16             ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-20 18:47               ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-20 20:03                 ` Matthew Maurer
2024-08-21 11:31                   ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-21 23:01                     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-21 23:29                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-22  5:55                       ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-22  7:29                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-22 12:00                           ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-22 23:53                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-23 19:17                               ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-24 13:29                                 ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-24 13:27                               ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-30  9:34   ` Miroslav Benes [this message]
2024-08-31  0:05     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-11 11:43       ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-12 16:06         ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-12 18:08           ` Benno Lossin
2024-09-12 20:58             ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-12 21:58               ` Benno Lossin
2024-09-12 22:37                 ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-13  8:00                   ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 17/19] export: Add __gendwarfksyms_ptr_ references to exported symbols Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 18/19] x86/asm-prototypes: Include <asm/ptrace.h> Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-01 10:50   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-04 20:47     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 19/19] kbuild: Add gendwarfksyms as an alternative to genksyms Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 20:13 ` [PATCH v2 00/19] Implement DWARF modversions Sedat Dilek
2024-08-15 20:47   ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-21  0:12     ` Sedat Dilek
2024-08-16  7:15 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-22 16:43 ` Jonathan Corbet
2024-08-22 17:57   ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28  7:04 ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 22:53   ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-02  9:57     ` Petr Pavlu

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