Re: [PATCH v2 09/21] ath10k: print fw debug messages in hex.

[Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>]

On 09/15/2016 10:34 AM, Grumbach, Emmanuel wrote:
> On Thu, 2016-09-15 at 08:14 -0700, Ben Greear wrote:
>> On 09/15/2016 07:06 AM, Valo, Kalle wrote:
>>> Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 09/14/2016 07:18 AM, Valo, Kalle wrote:
>>>>> greearb@candelatech.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This allows user-space tools to decode debug-log
>>>>>> messages by parsing dmesg or /var/log/messages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't tracing points already provide the same information?
>>>>
>>>> Tracing tools are difficult to set up and may not be available on
>>>> random embedded devices.  And if we are dealing with bug reports
>>>> from
>>>> the field, most users will not be able to set it up regardless.
>>>>
>>>> There are similar ways to print out hex, but the logic below
>>>> creates
>>>> specific and parseable logs in the 'dmesg' output and similar.
>>>>
>>>> I have written a tool that can decode these messages into useful
>>>> human-readable
>>>> text so that I can debug firmware issues both locally and from
>>>> field reports.
>>>>
>>>> Stock firmware generates similar logs and QCA could write their
>>>> own decode logic
>>>> for their firmware versions.
>>>
>>> Reinventing the wheel by using printk as the delivery mechanism
>>> doesn't
>>> sound like a good idea. IIRC Emmanuel talked about some kind of
>>> firmware
>>> debugging framework, he might have some ideas.
>>
>> Waiting for magical frameworks to fix problems is even worse.
>>
> It has been years since ath10k has been in the kernel.  There is
>> basically
>> still no way to debug what the firmware is doing.
>>
>
> I know the feeling :) I was in the same situation before I added stuff
> for iwlwifi.
>
>> My patch gives you something that can work right now, with the
>> standard 'dmesg'
>> framework found in virtually all kernels new and old, and it has been
>> proven
>> to be useful in the field.  The messages are also nicely interleaved
>> with the
>> rest of the mac80211 stack messages and any other driver messages, so
>> you have
>> context.
>>
>> If someone wants to add support for a framework later, then by all
>> means, post
>> the patches when it is ready.
>
> From my experience, a strong and easy-to-use firmware debug
> infrastructure is important because typically, the firmware is written
> by other people who have different priorities (and are not always Linux
> wizards) etc... Being able to give them good data is the only way to
> have them fix their bugs :) For us, it was really a game changer. When
> you work for a big corporate, having 2 groups work better together
> always has a big impact. That's for the philosophical part :)
>
> FWIW: what I did has nothing to do with FW 'live tracing', but with
> firmware dumps. One part of our firmware dumps include tracing. We also
> have "firmware prints", but we don't print them in the kernel log and
> they are not part of the firmware dump thing. We rather record them in
> tracepoints just like really *anything* that comes from the firmware.
> Basically, we have 2 layers, the transport layer (PCIe) and the
> operation_mode layer. The first just brings the data from the firmware
> and in that layer we *blindly* record everything in tracepoints. In the
> operation_mode layer, we look at the data itself. In case of debug
> prints from the firmware, we simply discard them, because we don't
> really care of the meaning. All we want is to have them go through the
> PCIe layer so that they are recorded in the tracepoints.
> When we finish recording the sequence we wanted with tracing (trace
> -cmd), we parse the output and then, we parse the firmware prints.
> IMHO, this is more reliable than kernel logs and you don't lose the
> alignment with the driver traces as long as you have driver data in
> tracepoints as well.

I have other patches that remember the last 100 or so firmware log messages from
the kernel and provide that in a binary dump image when firmware crashes.

This is indeed very useful.

But, when debugging non-crash occasions, it is still useful to see what
the firmware is doing.

For instance, maybe it is reporting lots of tx-hangs and/or low-level
resets.  This gives you a clue as to why a user might report 'my wifi sucks'.

Since I am both FW and driver team for my firmware variant,
and my approach has been working for me, then I feel it is certainly better than
the current state.  And just maybe the official upstream FW team could start
using something similar as well.  Currently, I don't see how they can ever make
much progress on firmware crashes reported in stock kernels.

Thanks,
Ben

-- 
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Candela Technologies Inc  http://www.candelatech.com


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