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From: Baochen Qiang <quic_bqiang@quicinc.com>
To: Tim Harvey <tharvey@gateworks.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>, <ath11k@lists.infradead.org>,
	linux-wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	Fabio Estevam <festevam@gmail.com>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	<iommu@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: ath11k swiotlb buffer is full (on IMX8M with 4GiB DRAM)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 10:31:25 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5fe372df-ae51-4a8b-9fa3-a4a0ea2d33e3@quicinc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+vNU03Cqsc+O5anwmvJW8Wfd-06LbDMVHjxVFdixf01ZLczQ@mail.gmail.com>



On 12/11/2024 7:06 AM, Tim Harvey wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 8:11 PM Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 09, 2024 at 11:15:02AM -0800, Tim Harvey wrote:
>>> After a lot of back and forth and investigation this is due to the
>>> IMX8M SoC's not having an IOMMU thus swiotlb is being used and ath11k
>>> is requesting some buffers that are too large for swiotlb to provide.
>>> There is a specific patch which added the HAL_WBM2SW_RELEASE buffers
>>> to cacheable memory that could be reverted to fix this but the concern
>>> was that it would impact performance moving those buffers to
>>> non-cacheable memory (there are three ~1MiB buffers being allocated):
>>> commit d0e2523bfa9cb ("ath11k: allocate HAL_WBM2SW_RELEASE ring from
>>> cacheable memory").
>>
>> The combination of "buffers" and "swiotlb" sounds like Robin was right
>> below.
>>
>>> The chain of events as best I can tell are:
>>>
>>> commit 6452f0a3d565 ("ath11k: allocate dst ring descriptors from
>>> cacheable memory")
>>> - Nov 12 2021 (made it into Linux 5.17)
>>> - changes allocation of reo_dst rings to cacheable memory to allow
>>> cached descriptor access to optimize CPU usage
>>> - this is flawed because it uses virt_to_phys() to allocate cacheable
>>> memory which does not work on systems with an IOMMU enabled or using
>>> software IOMMU (swiotlb); this causes a kernel crash on client
>>> association
>>
>> And this is where it started to take a wrong turn, that everyhing
>> later basically made worse.  If you have long living and potentially
>> large DMA allocations, you need to use dma_alloc_* interfaces.
>>
>> 5.17 already had dma_alloc_pages for quite a while which was and still is
>> the proper interface to use.  For much older kernel you'd be stuck
>> with dma_alloc_noncoherent or dma_alloc_attrs with the right flag,
>> but even that would have been much better.
> 
> Christoph,
> 
> I'm not clear what you are suggesting be done here. Are you suggesting
> that ath11k has been using the wrong mechanism by calling
> dma_map_single for cached DMA buffers? I'm not all that familiar with
> ath11k so I can't tell what buffers are considered long living.

those buffers are allocated when driver load and freed when driver unload, so IMO they are
long living.

> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Tim



  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-11  2:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-23  0:43 ath11k swiotlb buffer is full (on IMX8M with 4GiB DRAM) Tim Harvey
2024-11-25  7:23 ` Baochen Qiang
2024-11-25 18:02   ` Tim Harvey
2024-11-26  2:46     ` Baochen Qiang
2024-12-06 17:07       ` Tim Harvey
2024-12-09  6:39         ` Baochen Qiang
2024-12-09  8:17         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-09 10:49           ` Robin Murphy
2024-12-09 19:15             ` Tim Harvey
2024-12-10  4:11               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-10 23:06                 ` Tim Harvey
2024-12-11  2:31                   ` Baochen Qiang [this message]
2024-12-11 13:44                     ` Robin Murphy
2024-12-12  5:24                       ` Baochen Qiang
2024-12-12  7:18                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-12 18:08                           ` Jeff Johnson
2024-12-12 19:57                         ` Tim Harvey

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