[B.A.T.M.A.N.] VGER mailing list request

[B.A.T.M.A.N.] VGER mailing list request

[Jacob Marble]

This is my correspondence with David, aka postmaster@vger.  At this
point, I need someone else (Marek, etc.) to contact David if we are to
move forward with VGER.

Jacob

<quote>
> Hello, I'm looking for a new mailing list host for the B.A.T.M.A.N.
> project (http://open-mesh.net/).  Batman is two mesh networking tools,
> one a kernel module and the other a user-space approach.  We would
> like to host at VGER; what is the procedure to create a new list?

I'm sure your project is very interesting, but it falls short of the
scope for having the list crated on vger.

Generally, we host lists for kernel projects and their tools for which
they are already upstream or for which their upstream acceptance is
imminent.

I've never seen the BATMAN kernel bits even submitted for review on
netdev@vger.kernel.org and getting your code upstream via submission
there would be a prerequesite before we could be discussing a mailing
list on vger.

I'm not even sure the getting your kernel bits upstream is even
something you want, or whether the networking maintainer (that's
me :-) would consider your code and approach acceptable.

Sorry.
</quote>

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] VGER mailing list request

[Andrew Lunn]

> I've never seen the BATMAN kernel bits even submitted for review on
> netdev@vger.kernel.org and getting your code upstream via submission
> there would be a prerequesite before we could be discussing a mailing
> list on vger.
> 
> I'm not even sure the getting your kernel bits upstream is even
> something you want, or whether the networking maintainer (that's
> me :-) would consider your code and approach acceptable.

Either we need to find another list server, or we explain we have been
talking to GregKH and are planning to go via staging. 

We have a catch-22 here with vger. It seems like you need to be near
for submission to get an account, but we don't really want to submit
until we have an open list.

What ever we decide, we should explain the situation to his guy. As
net maintainer he has the power to decide if we ever make it out of
staging into the net part of mainline. 

        Andrew

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] VGER mailing list request

[Andrew Lunn]

On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 09:15:39PM -0600, Jacob Marble wrote:
> This is my correspondence with David, aka postmaster@vger.  At this
> point, I need someone else (Marek, etc.) to contact David if we are to
> move forward with VGER.

I will contact David. I assume this is David Miller.

  Andrew

[B.A.T.M.A.N.] VGER mailing list request

[Andrew Lunn]

> I'm sure your project is very interesting, but it falls short of the
> scope for having the list crated on vger.
> 
> Generally, we host lists for kernel projects and their tools for which
> they are already upstream or for which their upstream acceptance is
> imminent.
> 
> I've never seen the BATMAN kernel bits even submitted for review on
> netdev@vger.kernel.org and getting your code upstream via submission
> there would be a prerequesite before we could be discussing a mailing
> list on vger.
> 
> I'm not even sure the getting your kernel bits upstream is even
> something you want, or whether the networking maintainer (that's
> me :-) would consider your code and approach acceptable.

Hi David

Let me fill in some of the background.

We have been talking to GregKH about submitting the code to staging.
Greg has said he is happy to accept the patches for staging, since the
code is totally self contained, mostly passed checkpatch apart from
some long lines, sparse clean etc. And we have a TODO list of things
we think need fixing before it can leave staging.

However, at the moment we are using a closed list. Your reply to this
email is going to bounce from the list server. Before we submit to
staging and hopefully start getting feedback from kernel experts, we
would like to move to an open list. The current list server does not
have good enough Spam filtering for an open list. So we are looking
for a list server provider who we could use. vger seemed like an
obvious choice.

Is likely acceptance in staging sufficient for "...for which their
upstream acceptance is imminent."?

   Thanks
          Andrew

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] VGER mailing list request

[Andrew Lunn]

On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 05:12:21PM -0700, David Miller wrote:
> From: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:41:27 +0200
> 
> > Is likely acceptance in staging sufficient for "...for which their
> > upstream acceptance is imminent."?
> 
> A lot of code doesn't make it past staging, and gets kicked right back
> out of the staging tree instead of being moved to a final resting
> place in the kernel tree.
> 
> So staging inclusion doesn't really mean much, an so upstream
> acceptance isn't imminent just because you get your code into staging
> :-)

Hi David

Thanks for the reply. We will keep looking else where then for a list
server. Once the code hits staging i will let you know so you can
review it if you like.

       Thanks
          Andrew