From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Subject: Re: Network stops passing traffic randomly References: <20200529001302.832.66710@diktynna.open-mesh.org> <174b4bab-d84e-899d-3ecf-34bfdccff4fd@coolheads.com> <8cb674e5-26b2-e992-61e6-5969cc50358f@candelatech.com> <92655f2e-4ec4-5e1b-4ea9-b1df87a88aac@candelatech.com> <3659b31b-1f8b-1e21-43f5-b47f6e11d338@candelatech.com> From: Steve Newcomb Message-ID: <310fffa6-ff96-cb48-355f-00e773c1a4d7@coolheads.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 13:56:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3659b31b-1f8b-1e21-43f5-b47f6e11d338@candelatech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: srn@coolheads.com, The list for a Better Approach To Mobile Ad-hoc Networking List-Id: The list for a Better Approach To Mobile Ad-hoc Networking List-Archive: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: To: Ben Greear , b.a.t.m.a.n@lists.open-mesh.org, smartwires@gmail.com On 6/3/20 12:42 PM, Ben Greear wrote: > If you are trying to lift up a broad swath of the world, then you need=20 > scale and vision, and part of that is how > to make it self sustaining.=C2=A0 Giving a few crumbs to folks is less=20 > useful in my mind than helping give them the means > to make their own bread.=C2=A0 Think someone starting a company that wa= nts=20 > to deploy 10k hotspots with 40k satellite > wifi mesh nodes.... Your vision is deeply correct, but so is mine.=C2=A0 One difference betwe= en=20 the two ideas is that yours is top-down, with the purpose of offering a=20 service, while mine is bottom-up, with the purpose of developing=20 community and neighborliness, regardless of service provider(s). =C2=A0 (= I'm=20 an admirer of the late Fred Rogers, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.) But you are right, too.=C2=A0 I'm also an admirer of the Indian cataract=20 surgery guy (can't remember his name) who insisted that all patients pay=20 for their surgery "because charity doesn't scale".=C2=A0 He ultimately bu= ilt=20 a mind-boggling practice that, among other things, presumably now=20 manufactures most of the world's intraocular lenses. > > Open source software (and maybe hardware) with high volume,=20 > affordable, and solid hardware > is one of the core aims of TIP.=C2=A0 Think of a price and minimum hard= ware=20 > that meets your goals, > if I find someone that can make such a thing at such a price, I'll let=20 > you know. Fair enough.=C2=A0 How about a *delivered* price, i.e. an out-of-pocket c= ost,=20 of $50.=C2=A0 Obviously a minimum of 2 radios, 128 Mb, and reasonable CPU= =20 power.=C2=A0 Since we're forward-looking, here, with support for the new=20 channels now presumably forthcoming from the FCC. > If you want wave-1 ath10k to mesh, my advice is to use 7 virtual=20 > station vdevs and one AP on each radio.=C2=A0 ath10k-ct > firmware and software will support this nicely.=C2=A0 Have those 7 stat= ions=20 > connect to peers' AP vdevs.=C2=A0 Do routing mesh > magic through this topology.=C2=A0 Then you don't care about anything o= ther=20 > than STA + AP working.=C2=A0 This might also scale to other platforms > that don't support IBSS or MESH well.=20 Many thanks, Ben.=C2=A0 This is a helpful idea, and I daresay not many pe= ople=20 could have come up with it.=C2=A0 (Certainly not I!)=C2=A0 You have just = given me=20 some homework to do, and I'm grateful for it.=C2=A0 Bravo. If I get anywh= ere=20 with it, you'll be the first to know. Steve