[B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Simon Wunderlich]

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Hey there,

as most of us are concentrating batman-advanced now, Marek suggested
that we should create a new logo for our next generation mesh technology. ;)

The "old" ascii logo is still great, but most people associate it with
the layer 3 BATMAN ...

Therefore, I made some sketches and would like to ask for opinions from
the list. Any comments, suggestions, criticism are welcome. My current draft
is this one:

http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3.jpg

you can find some more sketches here (maybe you like another sketch more ...):

http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/

looking forward to your feedback,
	Simon

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Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Marek Lindner]

Hi,

> Therefore, I made some sketches and would like to ask for opinions from
> the list. Any comments, suggestions, criticism are welcome. My current
> draft is this one:
> 
> http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3.jpg

personally, I like this one the most. The feedback gathered from bystanders 
goes into the same direction.

Anyone another opinion or suggestions ?

Cheers,
Marek

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Simon Wunderlich]

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Hello,

Marek, thank you for your feedback (also thanks to others who sent me
messages in private).

As per Martin Hundebolls suggestion I've added a version with a (visually)
separated head, tell me what you think. :)

http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3_headsep.jpg

BTW, we will also need a vector version from the final logo, anyone
volunteering? :)

Cheers,
	Simon

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 06:37:44PM +0200, Marek Lindner wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > Therefore, I made some sketches and would like to ask for opinions from
> > the list. Any comments, suggestions, criticism are welcome. My current
> > draft is this one:
> > 
> > http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3.jpg
> 
> personally, I like this one the most. The feedback gathered from bystanders 
> goes into the same direction.
> 
> Anyone another opinion or suggestions ?
> 
> Cheers,
> Marek
> 

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Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Sven Eckelmann]

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On Wednesday 28 September 2011 10:21:57 Simon Wunderlich wrote:

> BTW, we will also need a vector version from the final logo, anyone
> volunteering? :)

A vector version is not really a problem... a clean vector version would be 
more work ;)

Kind regards,
	Sven

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Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[fboehm]

Hi guys,

I would be happy to make you a clean vector version!
Suddenly this is perhaps my only contribution to batman-adv at the 
moment :-)

Regards,
Franz


Am 2011-09-28 10:36, schrieb Sven Eckelmann:
> On Wednesday 28 September 2011 10:21:57 Simon Wunderlich wrote:
>
>> BTW, we will also need a vector version from the final logo, anyone
>> volunteering? :)
> A vector version is not really a problem... a clean vector version would be
> more work ;)
>
> Kind regards,
> 	Sven

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Simon Wunderlich]

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Hello Sven, Franz,

wow, so many people volunteering! Sven, thank you for your work!
We will need something to give to the print services for the merchandise,
but I have no experience which format they will expect.

However, I'd suggest to wait with the conversion until we have
decided on the final logo. Otherwise we will have to convert
again and again ...

Thanks!
	Simon

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:49:51AM +0200, fboehm wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I would be happy to make you a clean vector version!
> Suddenly this is perhaps my only contribution to batman-adv at the
> moment :-)
> 
> Regards,
> Franz
> 
> 
> Am 2011-09-28 10:36, schrieb Sven Eckelmann:
> >On Wednesday 28 September 2011 10:21:57 Simon Wunderlich wrote:
> >
> >>BTW, we will also need a vector version from the final logo, anyone
> >>volunteering? :)
> >A vector version is not really a problem... a clean vector version would be
> >more work ;)
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >	Sven
> 
> 

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Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[fboehm]

Hi,

a good print service should be happy with PDF, EPS, PS and of course 
professional file formats like Adobe Illustrator. Fortunately a black 
and white doesn't need any color calibration :-)
I would go with PDF because this way it's most easy and failsafe for 
everyone to preview the file.

By the way. If you think about stickers, foil-cuttings or stencils for 
airbrush, it would be better to not have the Bats head separated from 
the body.

Regards,
Franz


Am 2011-09-28 11:42, schrieb Simon Wunderlich:
> Hello Sven, Franz,
>
> wow, so many people volunteering! Sven, thank you for your work!
> We will need something to give to the print services for the merchandise,
> but I have no experience which format they will expect.
>
> However, I'd suggest to wait with the conversion until we have
> decided on the final logo. Otherwise we will have to convert
> again and again ...
>
> Thanks!
> 	Simon
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:49:51AM +0200, fboehm wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I would be happy to make you a clean vector version!
>> Suddenly this is perhaps my only contribution to batman-adv at the
>> moment :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Franz
>>
>>
>> Am 2011-09-28 10:36, schrieb Sven Eckelmann:
>>> On Wednesday 28 September 2011 10:21:57 Simon Wunderlich wrote:
>>>
>>>> BTW, we will also need a vector version from the final logo, anyone
>>>> volunteering? :)
>>> A vector version is not really a problem... a clean vector version would be
>>> more work ;)
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 	Sven
>>

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Martin Hundebøll]

Hi,

On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:21:57 +0200, Simon Wunderlich wrote:
>
> BTW, we will also need a vector version from the final logo, anyone
> volunteering? :)
>

I can do some tampering with inkscape :)

// Hundebøll

> Cheers,
> 	Simon
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 06:37:44PM +0200, Marek Lindner wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> > Therefore, I made some sketches and would like to ask for opinions 
>> from
>> > the list. Any comments, suggestions, criticism are welcome. My 
>> current
>> > draft is this one:
>> >
>> > http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3.jpg
>>
>> personally, I like this one the most. The feedback gathered from 
>> bystanders
>> goes into the same direction.
>>
>> Anyone another opinion or suggestions ?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Marek
>>

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Simon Wunderlich]

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Hey Martin,

wow, thanks for the quick reply, that would be great! Lets just wait
until we have a final decision.

With the vector logo, we can print t-shirts, flags, cups, ... all the
merchandise we need :D

	Simon

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:38:16AM +0200, Martin Hundebøll wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:21:57 +0200, Simon Wunderlich wrote:
> >
> >BTW, we will also need a vector version from the final logo, anyone
> >volunteering? :)
> >
> 
> I can do some tampering with inkscape :)
> 
> // Hundebøll
> 
> >Cheers,
> >	Simon
> >
> >On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 06:37:44PM +0200, Marek Lindner wrote:
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>> Therefore, I made some sketches and would like to ask for
> >>opinions from
> >>> the list. Any comments, suggestions, criticism are welcome. My
> >>current
> >>> draft is this one:
> >>>
> >>> http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3.jpg
> >>
> >>personally, I like this one the most. The feedback gathered from
> >>bystanders
> >>goes into the same direction.
> >>
> >>Anyone another opinion or suggestions ?
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>Marek
> >>
> 
> 

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Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Marek Lindner]

Hi,

> As per Martin Hundebolls suggestion I've added a version with a (visually)
> separated head, tell me what you think. :)
> 
> http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3_headsep.jpg

I still prefer the previous version. The separate head requires more attention 
before the picture becomes clear. At first sight it looks a bit "unusual".
IMHO a logo should be "obvious" right from the start.

Regards,
Marek

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Simon Wunderlich]

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Hey there,

as suggested by Sven, here is the final modification - a little bit 
smaller feet, which should be more aerodynamic. So far, most ppl 
voted against the head separation, so we will skip it.

http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3_smallfeet.jpg

I'd like to call a final vote between small and big feet. The
winning version will be our new logo. After all these
comments and modifications I think we can call it a real
open source logo ... ;)

Cheers,
	Simon


On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 07:31:50PM +0200, Marek Lindner wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > As per Martin Hundebolls suggestion I've added a version with a (visually)
> > separated head, tell me what you think. :)
> > 
> > http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3_headsep.jpg
> 
> I still prefer the previous version. The separate head requires more attention 
> before the picture becomes clear. At first sight it looks a bit "unusual".
> IMHO a logo should be "obvious" right from the start.
> 
> Regards,
> Marek
> 

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Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[fboehm]

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Hey,

attached you find my first try of vectorization and simplification of 
the smallfeet-version.
It has very low vector count but perhaps it's already too much different 
to the artists concept.

Regards,
Franz


Am 2011-09-28 21:43, schrieb Simon Wunderlich:
> Hey there,
>
> as suggested by Sven, here is the final modification - a little bit
> smaller feet, which should be more aerodynamic. So far, most ppl
> voted against the head separation, so we will skip it.
>
> http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3_smallfeet.jpg
>
> I'd like to call a final vote between small and big feet. The
> winning version will be our new logo. After all these
> comments and modifications I think we can call it a real
> open source logo ... ;)
>
> Cheers,
> 	Simon
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 07:31:50PM +0200, Marek Lindner wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>> As per Martin Hundebolls suggestion I've added a version with a (visually)
>>> separated head, tell me what you think. :)
>>>
>>> http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3_headsep.jpg
>> I still prefer the previous version. The separate head requires more attention
>> before the picture becomes clear. At first sight it looks a bit "unusual".
>> IMHO a logo should be "obvious" right from the start.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Marek
>>


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Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Sven Eckelmann]

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On Thursday 29 September 2011 07:51:58 fboehm wrote:
> attached you find my first try of vectorization and simplification of
> the smallfeet-version.
> It has very low vector count but perhaps it's already too much different
> to the artists concept.

Quite impressive work. I really like it. The wings look extreme good and the 
only "big" difference are the glasses (upper left frame, right earpiece), ears 
and back/tail.

Kind regards,
	Sven

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Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[fboehm]

Am 2011-09-29 11:35, schrieb Sven Eckelmann:
> On Thursday 29 September 2011 07:51:58 fboehm wrote:
>> attached you find my first try of vectorization and simplification of
>> the smallfeet-version.
>> It has very low vector count but perhaps it's already too much different
>> to the artists concept.
> Quite impressive work. I really like it. The wings look extreme good and the
> only "big" difference are the glasses (upper left frame, right earpiece), ears
> and back/tail.
>
> Kind regards,
> 	Sven
Thanks Sven!

The upper left frame of the glasses has the wrong shape. But perhaps the 
glasses should anyway be kept more angular shaped as in the original 
version and also a little bit larger so that they overlap the head more. 
Perhaps this was the artists intention and I don't want to interpret it 
wrong :-)

But nevertheless I was thinking about two small modifications:
  - Should the left wing also have a convex curve like the right wing 
instead of a concave?
  - Should the ears be a little bit curved like in the vector version or 
straight lines like in the original version?

Regards,
Franz

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Simon Wunderlich]

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Hello Franz,

thank you very much for your work! It looks really great and smooth!

Sven is currently at my place, so we have worked on some details together:
 * We've changed the glasses a little in some details
 * We have added an outline version to have the black logos on black/dark T-Shirts. :)
 * We have shortened the tail a little so that the outline does not create some "closed holes"
 * Seems we have decided on the "small" feet

Regarding your comments:
 * I'd like to keep it in the concave version for the left wing. We have tried the 
   convex version (both might be somehow correct ;] ), but we like the original version more.
 * The ears look great the way you drew them!

Our version is uploaded here:

http://packetmixer.de/batlogo2/

We should keep the svg version as the "original"/"only" version and convert bitmaps from it
if required.

I hope everybody liks this version, we can keep this then as the final version.

Cheers
	Simon

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 04:35:28PM +0200, fboehm wrote:
> Am 2011-09-29 11:35, schrieb Sven Eckelmann:
> >On Thursday 29 September 2011 07:51:58 fboehm wrote:
> >>attached you find my first try of vectorization and simplification of
> >>the smallfeet-version.
> >>It has very low vector count but perhaps it's already too much different
> >>to the artists concept.
> >Quite impressive work. I really like it. The wings look extreme good and the
> >only "big" difference are the glasses (upper left frame, right earpiece), ears
> >and back/tail.
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >	Sven
> Thanks Sven!
> 
> The upper left frame of the glasses has the wrong shape. But perhaps
> the glasses should anyway be kept more angular shaped as in the
> original version and also a little bit larger so that they overlap
> the head more. Perhaps this was the artists intention and I don't
> want to interpret it wrong :-)
> 
> But nevertheless I was thinking about two small modifications:
>  - Should the left wing also have a convex curve like the right wing
> instead of a concave?
>  - Should the ears be a little bit curved like in the vector version
> or straight lines like in the original version?
> 
> Regards,
> Franz
> 

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Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Antonio Quartulli]

On Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 11:47:04PM +0200, Simon Wunderlich wrote:
> I hope everybody liks this version, we can keep this then as the final version.

I do :-) +1!


-- 
Antonio Quartulli

..each of us alone is worth nothing..
Ernesto "Che" Guevara

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Marek Lindner]

On Sunday, October 02, 2011 00:03:16 Antonio Quartulli wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 11:47:04PM +0200, Simon Wunderlich wrote:
> > I hope everybody liks this version, we can keep this then as the final
> > version.
> 
> I do :-) +1!

+1 :-)


Cheers,
Marek

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Gioacchino Mazzurco]

mmm the front shape of the two wings is different

the front of the left shape is like ) but should be (at moment the
whole logo looks like )^-^) but should be like (^-^)

sorry to not be so clear but i am not native English speaker, and it's
difficult for me to express clearly what i am trying to say, if i have
time next days I'll do some sketch to be more clear but i hope you can
understand what i am saying without that ;)

2011/10/2 Marek Lindner <lindner_marek@yahoo.de>:
> On Sunday, October 02, 2011 00:03:16 Antonio Quartulli wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 11:47:04PM +0200, Simon Wunderlich wrote:
>> > I hope everybody liks this version, we can keep this then as the final
>> > version.
>>
>> I do :-) +1!
>
> +1 :-)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Marek
>

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Sven Eckelmann]

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On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:25:57 Gioacchino Mazzurco wrote:
> mmm the front shape of the two wings is different
> 
> the front of the left shape is like ) but should be (at moment the
> whole logo looks like )^-^) but should be like (^-^)
> 
> sorry to not be so clear but i am not native English speaker, and it's
> difficult for me to express clearly what i am trying to say, if i have
> time next days I'll do some sketch to be more clear but i hope you can
> understand what i am saying without that ;)

This was the concave/convex discussion. We came to the conclusion that the 
current way of drawing both wings is not wrong (perspective wise) and the 
artists likes the convex+concave wings more.

Just to explain the perspective: Get some tube and cut it to get something 
which looks like a halfpipe. Now take it and try get the same perspective used 
in the logo (put the "tube" horizontally in front of you, the open part of the 
"halfpipe" directly facing you and move your head slightly to the right). You 
will see that one end looks like a convex curve and the other one like a 
concave one.

Kind regards,
	Sven

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Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Gioacchino Mazzurco]

yes but this is not a cutted tube

for the perspective I think that the shape shouldn't be affected so
much, yes it is influenced but not so much like in the logo


2011/10/2 Sven Eckelmann <sven@narfation.org>:
> On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:25:57 Gioacchino Mazzurco wrote:
>> mmm the front shape of the two wings is different
>>
>> the front of the left shape is like ) but should be (at moment the
>> whole logo looks like )^-^) but should be like (^-^)
>>
>> sorry to not be so clear but i am not native English speaker, and it's
>> difficult for me to express clearly what i am trying to say, if i have
>> time next days I'll do some sketch to be more clear but i hope you can
>> understand what i am saying without that ;)
>
> This was the concave/convex discussion. We came to the conclusion that the
> current way of drawing both wings is not wrong (perspective wise) and the
> artists likes the convex+concave wings more.
>
> Just to explain the perspective: Get some tube and cut it to get something
> which looks like a halfpipe. Now take it and try get the same perspective used
> in the logo (put the "tube" horizontally in front of you, the open part of the
> "halfpipe" directly facing you and move your head slightly to the right). You
> will see that one end looks like a convex curve and the other one like a
> concave one.
>
> Kind regards,
>        Sven

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Simon Wunderlich]

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Hey Gioacchino,

you may be right that the perspective may be correct the other way.
It depends on the interpretation. 

We have played with a convex left wing but did not like it, it looked
rather humble and fat.

Therefore we decided to keep it like that. 

A bat wearing sunglasses is not the most realistic thing either, don't
you think? ;) Therefore I'd like to ask to excuse this unrealistic
detail.

Cheers,
	Simon

On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 12:20:41PM +0200, Gioacchino Mazzurco wrote:
> yes but this is not a cutted tube
> 
> for the perspective I think that the shape shouldn't be affected so
> much, yes it is influenced but not so much like in the logo
> 
> 
> 2011/10/2 Sven Eckelmann <sven@narfation.org>:
> > On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:25:57 Gioacchino Mazzurco wrote:
> >> mmm the front shape of the two wings is different
> >>
> >> the front of the left shape is like ) but should be (at moment the
> >> whole logo looks like )^-^) but should be like (^-^)
> >>
> >> sorry to not be so clear but i am not native English speaker, and it's
> >> difficult for me to express clearly what i am trying to say, if i have
> >> time next days I'll do some sketch to be more clear but i hope you can
> >> understand what i am saying without that ;)
> >
> > This was the concave/convex discussion. We came to the conclusion that the
> > current way of drawing both wings is not wrong (perspective wise) and the
> > artists likes the convex+concave wings more.
> >
> > Just to explain the perspective: Get some tube and cut it to get something
> > which looks like a halfpipe. Now take it and try get the same perspective used
> > in the logo (put the "tube" horizontally in front of you, the open part of the
> > "halfpipe" directly facing you and move your head slightly to the right). You
> > will see that one end looks like a convex curve and the other one like a
> > concave one.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >        Sven
> 

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Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Gioacchino Mazzurco]

hehehe ok ;)

2011/10/2 Simon Wunderlich <simon.wunderlich@s2003.tu-chemnitz.de>:
> Hey Gioacchino,
>
> you may be right that the perspective may be correct the other way.
> It depends on the interpretation.
>
> We have played with a convex left wing but did not like it, it looked
> rather humble and fat.
>
> Therefore we decided to keep it like that.
>
> A bat wearing sunglasses is not the most realistic thing either, don't
> you think? ;) Therefore I'd like to ask to excuse this unrealistic
> detail.
>
> Cheers,
>        Simon
>
> On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 12:20:41PM +0200, Gioacchino Mazzurco wrote:
>> yes but this is not a cutted tube
>>
>> for the perspective I think that the shape shouldn't be affected so
>> much, yes it is influenced but not so much like in the logo
>>
>>
>> 2011/10/2 Sven Eckelmann <sven@narfation.org>:
>> > On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:25:57 Gioacchino Mazzurco wrote:
>> >> mmm the front shape of the two wings is different
>> >>
>> >> the front of the left shape is like ) but should be (at moment the
>> >> whole logo looks like )^-^) but should be like (^-^)
>> >>
>> >> sorry to not be so clear but i am not native English speaker, and it's
>> >> difficult for me to express clearly what i am trying to say, if i have
>> >> time next days I'll do some sketch to be more clear but i hope you can
>> >> understand what i am saying without that ;)
>> >
>> > This was the concave/convex discussion. We came to the conclusion that the
>> > current way of drawing both wings is not wrong (perspective wise) and the
>> > artists likes the convex+concave wings more.
>> >
>> > Just to explain the perspective: Get some tube and cut it to get something
>> > which looks like a halfpipe. Now take it and try get the same perspective used
>> > in the logo (put the "tube" horizontally in front of you, the open part of the
>> > "halfpipe" directly facing you and move your head slightly to the right). You
>> > will see that one end looks like a convex curve and the other one like a
>> > concave one.
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> >        Sven
>>
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Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] New batman-advanced logo

[Simon Wunderlich]

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Hey there,

we've declared this version official now and also have a little news
entry on the open-mesh.org website. The logos are available for download
as well. Good job! :D

One thing we could still do is to replace the redmine favicon with our custom
version. I gave it some tries and created some versions, but all of them
were really ugly. ;)

If anyone is good in drawing icons and can squeeze our bat (or just the head, or 
anything) into a 16x16 pixel logo, please don't hesitate to send one to us. ;)

Cheers
	Simon

On Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 11:47:04PM +0200, Simon Wunderlich wrote:
> Hello Franz,
> 
> thank you very much for your work! It looks really great and smooth!
> 
> Sven is currently at my place, so we have worked on some details together:
>  * We've changed the glasses a little in some details
>  * We have added an outline version to have the black logos on black/dark T-Shirts. :)
>  * We have shortened the tail a little so that the outline does not create some "closed holes"
>  * Seems we have decided on the "small" feet
> 
> Regarding your comments:
>  * I'd like to keep it in the concave version for the left wing. We have tried the 
>    convex version (both might be somehow correct ;] ), but we like the original version more.
>  * The ears look great the way you drew them!
> 
> Our version is uploaded here:
> 
> http://packetmixer.de/batlogo2/
> 
> We should keep the svg version as the "original"/"only" version and convert bitmaps from it
> if required.
> 
> I hope everybody liks this version, we can keep this then as the final version.
> 
> Cheers
> 	Simon
> 
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 04:35:28PM +0200, fboehm wrote:
> > Am 2011-09-29 11:35, schrieb Sven Eckelmann:
> > >On Thursday 29 September 2011 07:51:58 fboehm wrote:
> > >>attached you find my first try of vectorization and simplification of
> > >>the smallfeet-version.
> > >>It has very low vector count but perhaps it's already too much different
> > >>to the artists concept.
> > >Quite impressive work. I really like it. The wings look extreme good and the
> > >only "big" difference are the glasses (upper left frame, right earpiece), ears
> > >and back/tail.
> > >
> > >Kind regards,
> > >	Sven
> > Thanks Sven!
> > 
> > The upper left frame of the glasses has the wrong shape. But perhaps
> > the glasses should anyway be kept more angular shaped as in the
> > original version and also a little bit larger so that they overlap
> > the head more. Perhaps this was the artists intention and I don't
> > want to interpret it wrong :-)
> > 
> > But nevertheless I was thinking about two small modifications:
> >  - Should the left wing also have a convex curve like the right wing
> > instead of a concave?
> >  - Should the ears be a little bit curved like in the vector version
> > or straight lines like in the original version?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Franz
> > 



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