From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from diktynna.open-mesh.org (diktynna.open-mesh.org [136.243.236.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1FC4C636CC for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2023 11:20:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from diktynna.open-mesh.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by diktynna.open-mesh.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFB8847B4 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2023 12:20:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from dfw.source.kernel.org (dfw.source.kernel.org [IPv6:2604:1380:4641:c500::1]) by diktynna.open-mesh.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F513809E6 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2023 12:20:15 +0100 (CET) ARC-Seal: i=1; s=20121; d=open-mesh.org; t=1675768815; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=2NW1/vGdf3J0BBV6jx6Y1Jlf8rHyVoN9oRtUSbKu8qbOfWRYe2zkcl0m4VZvFehZcDB1Pu 7JoHUaqUmiO2O3xDKcmEBPmHKS12E7wXaWKzqYzHrDv6TZUk7O9qUsOXYptiUxIlVCegim DCKmI7RbiAOuAGycDKGiwcBxTYwGLmw= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; diktynna.open-mesh.org; dkim=pass header.d=kernel.org header.s=k20201202 header.b=M5QmM7O0; spf=pass (diktynna.open-mesh.org: domain of leon@kernel.org designates 2604:1380:4641:c500::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=leon@kernel.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=kernel.org ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=open-mesh.org; s=20121; t=1675768815; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:dkim-signature; bh=zEjNh4ctBwNftmNH7PqbIWDNSiGDEosjwMjPvSClzEc=; b=abavTAtE8E4YqLC6VSr1TitUg6qETLx9QiyuXKO0sWDckms6AP9PU7k8HIhS3iSxZz6bM3 wXoTuKakFe4JM3xE+EqsD9CCGsdPNSe3F1iYn7LElm8KqxQ73YrNI43YJOGfoPAvfXJG57 KOz+DT4IJq4qAV5d4QwKtJRDUFL5ALY= Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dfw.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DBBA611BD; Tue, 7 Feb 2023 11:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 225E5C433D2; Tue, 7 Feb 2023 11:20:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1675768813; bh=6f3B48rxmBQjdRWhohv4VFKJPegEtPUeHZvgP80nCeg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=M5QmM7O0O0esedqalWyLlFR3hQl6ia6SGe72stnwL6n7iqwmgN35D0ul1EyCeGnS2 8TCxipSWSl+0D687TcK9FlBSC9pxuiZC6ERD7EV2B/gqprZxLGZ0jAPtMITYMdPLWG 9c4P9r8hrJsUbJuj3Es48TXXlHWFiSO/bzxowJDarLQohS52YsVQnDNrtyZt4cF2gr p//VZQnLd1i+00whdGxTafsB95SdlPUKuSMGYUhTmbM5BNVg5h9Rm31r59kzgb1n3z YqJE/24yxIoTk+e/po+UdX6JWMa4BkQjGGbJFvEEvbAhLdogQ0ZIErdghQccgQovAd s4phmzNerUNeQ== Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2023 13:20:09 +0200 From: Leon Romanovsky To: Sven Eckelmann Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] batman-adv: Start new development cycle Message-ID: References: <20230127102133.700173-1-sw@simonwunderlich.de> <4503106.V25eIC5XRa@ripper> <3940036.VdNmn5OnKV@ripper> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3940036.VdNmn5OnKV@ripper> Message-ID-Hash: MAITBOGDWTFUGAYQANJ2WTKTUZJ3RV6Q X-Message-ID-Hash: MAITBOGDWTFUGAYQANJ2WTKTUZJ3RV6Q X-MailFrom: leon@kernel.org X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: nonmember-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-b.a.t.m.a.n.lists.open-mesh.org-0; header-match-b.a.t.m.a.n.lists.open-mesh.org-1 CC: b.a.t.m.a.n@lists.open-mesh.org, Jiri Pirko , kuba@kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The list for a Better Approach To Mobile Ad-hoc Networking Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 11:57:41AM +0100, Sven Eckelmann wrote: > On Tuesday, 7 February 2023 11:41:53 CET Leon Romanovsky wrote: > > Once you stop to update version, you will push users to look on the real > > version (kernel) which really matters. > > I would have understood if you say "let us use a magic value like 'in-tree' or > 'linux'" but setting it to an old (existing) version number - I don't want to > live with the headaches it creates. Because this is what users often don't > (want) to understand: if it looks like a valid version number, why isn't it > the valid version number? So I have to do a lot of pushing - without any > rewards because it is necessary to push every new "user". I'm not sharing your view about users and think they need to be educated, even it is hard and non-rewarding job. Thanks > > Kind regards, > Sven