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[64.119.15.44]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l11-20020a170902d04b00b001e2c1e56f3bsm5118607pll.104.2024.04.07.09.23.34 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Apr 2024 09:23:34 -0700 (PDT) From: dthaler1968@googlemail.com X-Google-Original-From: To: "'Watson Ladd'" , "'David Vernet'" Cc: , , References: <0a0f01da8795$5496b250$fdc416f0$@gmail.com> <20240405215044.GC19691@maniforge> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [Bpf] Follow up on "call helper function by address" terminology Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2024 09:23:33 -0700 Message-ID: <003001da8907$efd41140$cf7c33c0$@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: bpf@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGym9lSVor9R6wjkVDgbvdbCMHIbgJp4F1KApIu0eGxhPS+kA== Content-Language: en-us Watson Ladd wrote:=20 > On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 2:50=E2=80=AFPM David Vernet = wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 01:10:38PM -0700, > dthaler1968=3D40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org wrote: > > > At IETF 119, we agreed that "by address" should be changed to > > > something else in the ISA. The term "legacy ID" was used during = the > > > discussion but Christoph (if I remember right) pointed out that = such > > > IDs are not deprecated per se. Hence "legacy" may not be the = right > > > word since we use that word with legacy packet access instructions > > > that are deprecated. We decided to take further discussion to the > > > list, hence this email. > > > > > > We need some term to distinguish them from BTF IDs, so another > > > alternative might be "non-BTF ID". > > > > Non-BTF ID is fine with me. Any objections? >=20 > If something later comes along supplanting BTF it will be the not-BTF = not-non- > BTF thing. This is bad. How about untyped identifiers? For runtimes that have a way to look up type info from a non-BTF ID, the = ID is not "untyped" per se. Other possibilities: * Classic ID, but "classic" would imply classic BPF * Index, but that would imply the runtime actually has to implement it = as an index=20 As such, I think "non-BTF ID" is better than the other possibilities = above, and a future ISA version could always rename it if other things come up in the = future that necessitate a terminology change. 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