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From: Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>
To: Harishankar Vishwanathan <harishankar.vishwanathan@gmail.com>
Cc: ast@kernel.org, m.shachnai@rutgers.edu,
	srinivas.narayana@rutgers.edu,  santosh.nagarakatte@rutgers.edu,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Martin KaFai Lau	 <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	Yonghong Song	 <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	KP Singh <kpsingh@kernel.org>,
	Stanislav Fomichev	 <sdf@fomichev.me>,
	Hao Luo <haoluo@google.com>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	 Mykola Lysenko	 <mykolal@fb.com>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Matan Shachnai	 <m.shachnai@gmail.com>,
	Luis Gerhorst <luis.gerhorst@fau.de>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi	 <memxor@gmail.com>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
		linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] selftests/bpf: Add testcases for BPF_ADD and BPF_SUB
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 14:55:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <04a5d2572ca2af1ec4dbc9cab5c61b1d0d9af0a9.camel@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM=Ch05aDpkCZ7xF1Fs9SVrU8DFG7kofzRw4g4bkaUSdUsp3jQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 2025-06-19 at 17:13 -0400, Harishankar Vishwanathan wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 5:22 PM Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 2025-06-17 at 19:17 -0400, Harishankar Vishwanathan wrote:
> > > The previous commit improves the precision in scalar(32)_min_max_add,
> > > and scalar(32)_min_max_sub. The improvement in precision occurs in
> > > cases when all outcomes overflow or underflow, respectively. This
> > > commit adds selftests that exercise those cases.
> > > 
> > > Co-developed-by: Matan Shachnai <m.shachnai@rutgers.edu>
> > > Signed-off-by: Matan Shachnai <m.shachnai@rutgers.edu>
> > > Signed-off-by: Harishankar Vishwanathan <harishankar.vishwanathan@gmail.com>
> > > ---
> > 
> > Could you please also add test cases when one bound overflows while
> > another does not? Or these are covered by some other tests?
> 
> Yes this is possible and I can add such test cases. These are not covered by
> other tests as far as I can see.

Great, thank you.

> > > +SEC("socket")
> > > +__description("64-bit addition overflow, all outcomes overflow")
> > > +__success __log_level(2)
> > > +__msg("7: (0f) r5 += r3 {{.*}} R5_w=scalar(smin=0x800003d67e960f7d,umin=0x551ee3d67e960f7d,umax=0xc0149fffffffffff,smin32=0xfe960f7d,umin32=0x7e960f7d,var_off=(0x3d67e960f7d; 0xfffffc298169f082))")
> > 
> > Would it be possible to pick some more "human readable" constants here?
> > As-is it is hard to make sense what verifier actually computes.
> > 
> > > +__retval(0)
> > > +__naked void add64_ovf(void)
> > > +{
> > > +     asm volatile (
> > > +     "call %[bpf_get_prandom_u32];"
> > > +     "r3 = r0;"
> > > +     "r4 = 0x950a43d67e960f7d ll;"
> > > +     "r3 |= r4;"
> > > +     "r5 = 0xc014a00000000000 ll;"
> > > +     "r5 += r3;"
> > > +     "r0 = 0;"
> > > +     "exit"
> > > +     :
> > > +     : __imm(bpf_get_prandom_u32)
> > > +     : __clobber_all);
> > > +}
> 
> It is possible to pick more human readable constants, but the precision gains
> might not be as apparent. For instance, with the above (current) test case,
> the old scalar_min_max_add() produced
> [umin_value=0x3d67e960f7d, umax_value=U64_MAX],
> while the updated scalar_min_max_add() produces a much more
> precise [0x551ee3d67e960f7d, 0xc0149fffffffffff], a bound that has close to
> 2**63 fewer inhabitants.
> 
> For the purposes of a test case, if human readability is more important
> than the demonstration of a large precision gain, I can prefer one that is more
> readable, similar to the one shown in the commit message of v1 of the
> patch [1]:
> 
> With the old scalar_min_max_add(), we get r3's bounds set to unbounded, i.e.,
> [0, U64_MAX] after instruction 6: (0f) r3 += r3
> 
> 0: R1=ctx() R10=fp0
> 0: (18) r3 = 0x8000000000000000       ; R3_w=0x8000000000000000
> 2: (18) r4 = 0x0                      ; R4_w=0
> 4: (87) r4 = -r4                      ; R4_w=scalar()
> 5: (4f) r3 |= r4                      ;
> R3_w=scalar(smax=-1,umin=0x8000000000000000,var_off=(0x8000000000000000;
> 0x7fffffffffffffff)) R4_w=scalar()
> 6: (0f) r3 += r3                      ; R3_w=scalar()
> 7: (b7) r0 = 1                        ; R0_w=1
> 8: (95) exit
> 
> With the new scalar_min_max_add(), we get r3's bounds set to
> [0, 0xfffffffffffffffe], a bound that is more precise by having only 1 less
> inhabitant.
> 
> ...
> 6: (0f) r3 += r3                      ; R3_w=scalar(umax=0xfffffffffffffffe)
> 7: (b7) r0 = 1                        ; R0_w=1
> 8: (95) exit
> 
> Please advise which test cases to prefer. I will follow up with a v3.

Hm, I see, that's an interesting angle.
The problem is, if I do something silly changing the code and this
test fails I'd have a hard time understanding the expected output.
Therefore, I'd prefer something more obvious.

Maybe let's go with this:

  SEC("tc")
  __success
  __naked void test1(void)
  {
	asm volatile (
	"r3 = 0xa000000000000000 ll;"
	"r4 = 0x0;"
	"r4 = -r4;"
	"r3 |= r4;"
	"r3 += r3;"
	"r0 = 1;"
	"exit;"
	:
	: __imm(bpf_get_prandom_u32)
	: __clobber_all);
  }

Here is verifier log comparison:

  master: 5: (0f) r3 += r3     ; R3_w=scalar()
  branch: 5: (0f) r3 += r3     ; R3_w=scalar(umin=0x4000000000000000,umax=0xfffffffffffffffe)

?

> [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/20250610221356.2663491-1-harishankar.vishwanathan@gmail.com/
> 
> [...]


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-19 21:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-17 23:17 [PATCH v2 0/2] bpf, verifier: Improve precision of BPF_ADD and BPF_SUB Harishankar Vishwanathan
2025-06-17 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] bpf, verifier: Improve precision for " Harishankar Vishwanathan
2025-06-18 11:24   ` Hao Sun
2025-06-19 22:17     ` Harishankar Vishwanathan
2025-06-18 20:53   ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-06-17 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] selftests/bpf: Add testcases " Harishankar Vishwanathan
2025-06-18 21:22   ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-06-19 21:13     ` Harishankar Vishwanathan
2025-06-19 21:55       ` Eduard Zingerman [this message]
2025-06-19 22:34         ` Harishankar Vishwanathan

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