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From: Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
To: Dave Marchevsky <davemarchevsky@meta.com>
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
	Delyan Kratunov <delyank@meta.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v4 22/24] bpf: Introduce single ownership BPF linked list API
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 13:12:48 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221104074248.olfotqiujxz75hzd@apollo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d3765c8e-3b1b-3ea4-8612-34b8580bc892@meta.com>

On Fri, Nov 04, 2022 at 11:26:39AM IST, Dave Marchevsky wrote:
> On 11/3/22 3:10 PM, Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi wrote:
> > Add a linked list API for use in BPF programs, where it expects
> > protection from the bpf_spin_lock in the same allocation as the
> > bpf_list_head. Future patches will extend the same infrastructure to
> > have different flavors with varying protection domains and visibility
> > (e.g. percpu variant with local_t protection, usable in NMI progs).
> >
> > The following functions are added to kick things off:
> >
> > bpf_list_push_front
> > bpf_list_push_back
> > bpf_list_pop_front
> > bpf_list_pop_back
> >
> > The lock protecting the bpf_list_head needs to be taken for all
> > operations.
> >
> > Once a node has been added to the list, it's pointer changes to
> > PTR_UNTRUSTED. However, it is only released once the lock protecting the
> > list is unlocked. For such local kptrs with PTR_UNTRUSTED set but an
> > active ref_obj_id, it is still permitted to read and write to them as
> > long as the lock is held.
>
> I think "still permitted to ... write to them" is not accurate
> for this version of the series. In v2 you mentioned [0]:
>
> """
> I have switched things a bit to disallow stores, which is a bug right now in
> this set, because one can do this:
>
> push_front(head, &p->node);
> p2 = container_of(pop_front(head));
> // p2 == p
> bpf_obj_drop(p2);
> p->data = ...;
>
> One can always fully initialize the object _before_ inserting it into the list,
> in some cases that will be the requirement (like adding to RCU protected lists)
> for correctness.
> """
>
> I confirmed this is currently the case by moving data write after
> list_push in the selftest and running it:
>
> @@ -87,8 +87,8 @@ static __always_inline int list_push_pop(struct bpf_spin_lock *lock,
>         }
>
>         bpf_spin_lock(lock);
> -       f->data = 13;
>         bpf_list_push_front(head, &f->node);
> +       f->data = 13;
>         bpf_spin_unlock(lock);
>
> Got "only read is supported" from verifier.
> I think it's fine to punt on supporting writes for now and do it in followups.
>

Thanks for catching it, I'll fix up the commit message.

Also, just to manage the expectations I think enabling writes after pushing the
object won't be possible to make safe, unless the definition of "safe" is
twisted.

As shown in that example, we can reach a point where it has been freed but we
hold an untrusted pointer to it. Once it has been freed the object can be
reallocated and be in use again concurrently, possibly as a different type.

I was contemplating whether to simply drop this whole set_release_on_unlock
logic entirely. Not sure it's worth the added complexity, atleast for now. Once
you push you simply lose ownership of the object and any registers are
immediately killed.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-04  7:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-03 19:09 [PATCH bpf-next v4 00/24] Local kptrs, BPF linked lists Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:09 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 01/24] bpf: Document UAPI details for special BPF types Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 20:38   ` David Vernet
2022-11-03 19:09 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 02/24] bpf: Allow specifying volatile type modifier for kptrs Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 20:45   ` David Vernet
2022-11-03 19:09 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 03/24] bpf: Clobber stack slot when writing over spilled PTR_TO_BTF_ID Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:09 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 04/24] bpf: Fix slot type check in check_stack_write_var_off Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:09 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 05/24] bpf: Drop reg_type_may_be_refcounted_or_null Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 21:55   ` David Vernet
2022-11-03 19:09 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 06/24] bpf: Refactor kptr_off_tab into btf_record Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-04  2:44   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-04  3:00   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-04  7:02     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-04  7:27       ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-04  3:16   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-04  4:00   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-04  4:09     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-04  7:34       ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:09 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 07/24] bpf: Consolidate spin_lock, timer management " Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-04  4:52   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-04  5:30   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-04  6:43     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-04  6:47       ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:09 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 08/24] bpf: Refactor map->off_arr handling Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:09 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 09/24] bpf: Support bpf_list_head in map values Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:09 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 10/24] bpf: Introduce local kptrs Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-04  5:57   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-04  7:51     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-04 15:38       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-05  2:19       ` Dave Marchevsky
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 11/24] bpf: Recognize bpf_{spin_lock,list_head,list_node} in " Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 12/24] bpf: Verify ownership relationships for user BTF types Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 13/24] bpf: Support locking bpf_spin_lock in local kptr Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 14/24] bpf: Allow locking bpf_spin_lock global variables Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-04  2:54   ` Dave Marchevsky
2022-11-04  7:56     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 15/24] bpf: Rewrite kfunc argument handling Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 16/24] bpf: Drop kfunc bits from btf_check_func_arg_match Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 17/24] bpf: Support constant scalar arguments for kfuncs Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 18/24] bpf: Teach verifier about non-size constant arguments Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 19/24] bpf: Introduce bpf_obj_new Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-04  2:37   ` Dave Marchevsky
2022-11-04  8:09     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-04 15:39       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 20/24] bpf: Introduce bpf_obj_drop Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 21/24] bpf: Permit NULL checking pointer with non-zero fixed offset Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 22/24] bpf: Introduce single ownership BPF linked list API Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-04  5:56   ` Dave Marchevsky
2022-11-04  7:42     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi [this message]
2022-11-05  2:15       ` Dave Marchevsky
2022-11-05 18:16         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-06  1:53           ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 23/24] selftests/bpf: Add __contains macro to bpf_experimental.h Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-03 19:10 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 24/24] selftests/bpf: Add BPF linked list API tests Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-04  7:03   ` Dave Marchevsky
2022-11-04  7:14     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-11-04  5:00 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 00/24] Local kptrs, BPF linked lists patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
2022-11-04  5:30 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
2022-11-04  6:30 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf

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