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From: David Vernet <void@manifault.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: Alan Maguire <alan.maguire@oracle.com>,
	Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>,
	Yonghong Song <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	Song Liu <song@kernel.org>, Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
	KP Singh <kpsingh@kernel.org>,
	Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>, Hao Luo <haoluo@google.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH bpf-next 0/3] bpf: Add new bpf helper bpf_for_each_cpu
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 12:06:18 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230802170618.GE472124@maniforge> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQJnv5mC2=s1sQ8YKNj6gZXyXHeuNyaBJjk3D90VrM0iBw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 09:33:18AM -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:30 PM David Vernet <void@manifault.com> wrote:
> > I agree that this is the correct way to generalize this. The only thing
> > that we'll have to figure out is how to generalize treating const struct
> > cpumask * objects as kptrs. In sched_ext [0] we export
> > scx_bpf_get_idle_cpumask() and scx_bpf_get_idle_smtmask() kfuncs to
> > return trusted global cpumask kptrs that can then be "released" in
> > scx_bpf_put_idle_cpumask(). scx_bpf_put_idle_cpumask() is empty and
> > exists only to appease the verifier that the trusted cpumask kptrs
> > aren't being leaked and are having their references "dropped".
> 
> why is it KF_ACQUIRE ?
> I think it can just return a trusted pointer without acquire.

I don't think there's a way to do this yet without hard-coding the kfuncs as
special, right? That's why we do stuff like this:


11479                 } else if (meta.func_id == special_kfunc_list[KF_bpf_cast_to_kern_ctx]) {
11480                         mark_reg_known_zero(env, regs, BPF_REG_0);
11481                         regs[BPF_REG_0].type = PTR_TO_BTF_ID | PTR_TRUSTED;
11482                         regs[BPF_REG_0].btf = desc_btf;
11483                         regs[BPF_REG_0].btf_id = meta.ret_btf_id;

We could continue to do that, but I wonder if it would be useful to add
a kfunc flag that allowed a kfunc to specify that? Something like
KF_ALWAYS_TRUSTED? In general though, yes, we can teach the verifier to
not require KF_ACQUIRE if we want. It's just that what we have now
doesn't really scale to the kernel for any global cpumask.

> > [0]: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230711011412.100319-13-tj@kernel.org/
> >
> > I'd imagine that we have 2 ways forward if we want to enable progs to
> > fetch other global cpumasks with static lifetimes (e.g.
> > __cpu_possible_mask or nohz.idle_cpus_mask):
> >
> > 1. The most straightforward thing to do would be to add a new kfunc in
> >    kernel/bpf/cpumask.c that's a drop-in replacment for
> >    scx_bpf_put_idle_cpumask():
> >
> > void bpf_global_cpumask_drop(const struct cpumask *cpumask)
> > {}
> >
> > 2. Another would be to implement something resembling what Yonghong
> >    suggested in [1], where progs can link against global allocated kptrs
> >    like:
> >
> > const struct cpumask *__cpu_possible_mask __ksym;
> >
> > [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/all/3f56b3b3-9b71-f0d3-ace1-406a8eeb64c0@linux.dev/#t
> >
> > In my opinion (1) is more straightforward, (2) is a better UX.
> 
> 1 = adding few kfuncs.
> 2 = teaching pahole to emit certain global vars.
> 
> nm vmlinux|g -w D|g -v __SCK_|g -v __tracepoint_|wc -l
> 1998
> 
> imo BTF increase trade off is acceptable.

Agreed

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-02 17:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-01 14:29 [RFC PATCH bpf-next 0/3] bpf: Add new bpf helper bpf_for_each_cpu Yafang Shao
2023-08-01 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 1/3] bpf: Add bpf_for_each_cpu helper Yafang Shao
2023-08-01 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 2/3] cgroup, psi: Init root cgroup psi to psi_system Yafang Shao
2023-08-01 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 3/3] selftests/bpf: Add selftest for for_each_cpu Yafang Shao
2023-08-01 17:53 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 0/3] bpf: Add new bpf helper bpf_for_each_cpu Yonghong Song
2023-08-02  2:33   ` Yafang Shao
2023-08-02  2:45     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-08-02  2:57       ` Yafang Shao
2023-08-02  3:29       ` David Vernet
2023-08-02  6:54         ` Yonghong Song
2023-08-02 15:46           ` David Vernet
2023-08-02 16:23             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-08-02 16:33         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-08-02 17:06           ` David Vernet [this message]
2023-08-02 18:13             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-08-03  8:21           ` Alan Maguire
2023-08-03 15:22             ` Yonghong Song
2023-08-03 16:10               ` Alan Maguire

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