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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: "Masami Hiramatsu (Google)" <mhiramat@kernel.org>
Cc: Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 00/13] unwind_user: x86: Deferred unwinding infrastructure
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 19:55:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250520195549.17f6c2c7@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250521082605.b4bd632ef1312778ea51dd71@kernel.org>

On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:26:05 +0900
Masami Hiramatsu (Google) <mhiramat@kernel.org> wrote:

> > Maybe I asked this before but I don't remember if I got the answer. :)
> > How does it handle task exits as it won't go to userspace?  I guess it'll
> > lose user callstacks for exit syscalls and other termination paths.

I just checked, and the good news is that task_work does indeed get called
when a task exits. The bad news is that it happens after do_exit() cleans
up the task's "mm" structure via exit_mm(). Which means that current->mm is
NULL :-p

There's a proposal to move trace_sched_process_exit() to before exit_mm().
If that happens, we could make that tracepoint a "faultable" tracepoint and
then the unwind infrastructure could attach to it and do the unwinding from
that tracepoint.

> > 
> > Similarly, it will miss user callstacks in the samples at the end of
> > profiling if the target tasks remain in the kernel (or they sleep).
> > It looks like a fundamental limitation of the deferred callchains.  

Yes that is a limitation.

> 
> Can we use a hybrid approach for this case?
> It might be more balanced (from the performance point of view) to save
> the full stack in a classic way only in this case, rather than faulting
> on process exit or doing file access just to load the sframe.

Another approach is that the tool (like perf) could request to take the
user space stack trace every time a task enters the kernel via a system
call.

-- Steve

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-20 23:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-13 22:34 [PATCH v9 00/13] unwind_user: x86: Deferred unwinding infrastructure Steven Rostedt
2025-05-13 22:34 ` [PATCH v9 01/13] unwind_user: Add user space unwinding API Steven Rostedt
2025-05-13 22:34 ` [PATCH v9 02/13] unwind_user: Add frame pointer support Steven Rostedt
2025-05-13 22:34 ` [PATCH v9 03/13] unwind_user/x86: Enable frame pointer unwinding on x86 Steven Rostedt
2025-05-13 22:34 ` [PATCH v9 04/13] perf/x86: Rename and move get_segment_base() and make it global Steven Rostedt
2025-05-13 22:34 ` [PATCH v9 05/13] unwind_user: Add compat mode frame pointer support Steven Rostedt
2025-05-13 22:34 ` [PATCH v9 06/13] unwind_user/x86: Enable compat mode frame pointer unwinding on x86 Steven Rostedt
2025-05-13 22:34 ` [PATCH v9 07/13] unwind_user/deferred: Add unwind_deferred_trace() Steven Rostedt
2025-05-13 22:34 ` [PATCH v9 08/13] unwind_user/deferred: Add unwind cache Steven Rostedt
2025-05-13 22:34 ` [PATCH v9 09/13] unwind_user/deferred: Add deferred unwinding interface Steven Rostedt
2025-05-13 22:34 ` [PATCH v9 10/13] unwind_user/deferred: Make unwind deferral requests NMI-safe Steven Rostedt
2025-05-13 22:34 ` [PATCH v9 11/13] unwind deferred: Use bitmask to determine which callbacks to call Steven Rostedt
2025-05-13 22:34 ` [PATCH v9 12/13] unwind deferred: Use SRCU unwind_deferred_task_work() Steven Rostedt
2025-05-13 22:34 ` [PATCH v9 13/13] unwind: Clear unwind_mask on exit back to user space Steven Rostedt
2025-05-14 17:27 ` [PATCH v9 00/13] unwind_user: x86: Deferred unwinding infrastructure Steven Rostedt
2025-05-16 23:39   ` Namhyung Kim
2025-05-19 15:33     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-05-20  9:35       ` Ingo Molnar
2025-05-20 15:57         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-05-20 16:29           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-05-20 23:26     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-05-20 23:55       ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2025-05-21 16:50         ` Steven Rostedt

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