From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v7 1/7] netmem: introduce struct netmem_desc mirroring struct page
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2025 16:45:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250701164508.0738f00f@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aGHNmKRng9H6kTqz@hyeyoo>
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 08:34:48 +0900 Harry Yoo wrote:
> > Ugh, you keep explaining the mechanics to me. Our goal here is not
> > just to move fields around and make it still compile :/
> >
> > Let me ask you this way: you said "netmem_desc" will be allocated
> > thru slab "shortly". How will calling the equivalent of page_address()
> > on netmem_desc work at that stage? Feel free to refer me to the existing
> > docs if its covered..
>
> https://kernelnewbies.org/MatthewWilcox/Memdescs/Path
> https://kernelnewbies.org/MatthewWilcox/Memdescs
>
> May not be the exact document you're looking for,
> but with this article I can imagine:
>
> - The ultimate goal is to shrink struct page to eventually from 64 bytes
> to 8 bytes, by allocating only the minimum required metadata per 4k page
> statically and moving the rest of metadata to dynamically-allocated
> descriptors (netmem_desc, anon, file, ptdesc, zpdesc, etc.) using slab
> at page allocation time.
>
> - We can't achieve that goal just yet, because several subsystems
> still use struct page fields for their own purposes.
>
> To achieve that, each of these subsystems needs to define
> its own descriptor, which, for now, overlays struct page, and should be
> converted to use the new descriptor.
>
> Eventually, these descriptors will be allocated using slab.
>
> - For CPU-readable buffers, page->memdesc will point to a netmem_desc,
> with a lower bit set indicating that it's a netmem_desc rather than
> other type. Networking code will need to cast it to (netmem_desc *)
> and dereference it to access networking specific fields.
>
> - The struct page array (vmemmap) will still be statically allocated
> at boot time (or during memory hotplug time).
> So no change in how page_address() works.
>
> net_iovs will continue to be not associated with struct pages,
> as the buffers don't have corresponding struct pages.
> net_iovs are already allocated using slab.
Thanks a lot, this clarifies things for me.
Unfortunately, I still think that it's hard to judge patches 1 and 7
in context limited to this series, so let's proceed to reposting just
the "middle 5" patches.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-01 23:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-25 4:33 [PATCH net-next v7 0/7] Split netmem from struct page Byungchul Park
2025-06-25 4:33 ` [PATCH net-next v7 1/7] netmem: introduce struct netmem_desc mirroring " Byungchul Park
2025-06-27 0:49 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-27 3:54 ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-28 0:37 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-29 23:34 ` Harry Yoo
2025-07-01 23:45 ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2025-07-07 0:21 ` Byungchul Park
2025-07-07 18:42 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-07-14 9:42 ` Harry Yoo
2025-07-14 13:24 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-14 13:58 ` Harry Yoo
2025-07-15 1:47 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-07-15 2:08 ` Byungchul Park
2025-07-15 10:23 ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-25 4:33 ` [PATCH net-next v7 2/7] page_pool: rename page_pool_return_page() to page_pool_return_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-06-25 4:33 ` [PATCH net-next v7 3/7] page_pool: rename __page_pool_release_page_dma() to __page_pool_release_netmem_dma() Byungchul Park
2025-06-25 4:33 ` [PATCH net-next v7 4/7] page_pool: rename __page_pool_alloc_pages_slow() to __page_pool_alloc_netmems_slow() Byungchul Park
2025-06-25 4:33 ` [PATCH net-next v7 5/7] netmem: use _Generic to cover const casting for page_to_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-06-25 4:33 ` [PATCH net-next v7 6/7] page_pool: make page_pool_get_dma_addr() just wrap page_pool_get_dma_addr_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-06-25 4:33 ` [PATCH net-next v7 7/7] netmem: introduce a netmem API, virt_to_head_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-06-27 0:49 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-26 6:41 ` [PATCH net-next v7 0/7] Split netmem from struct page Byungchul Park
2025-06-27 0:50 ` Jakub Kicinski
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