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Mon, 29 Dec 2025 09:14:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Foster To: bboscaccy@linux.microsoft.com Cc: James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net, dhowells@redhat.com, foster.ryan.r@gmail.com, gnoack@google.com, jmorris@namei.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux@treblig.org, mic@digikod.net, paul@paul-moore.com, serge@hallyn.com Subject: Re: [RFC 00/11] Reintroduce Hornet LSM Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2025 09:12:48 -0800 Message-ID: <20251229171402.1491979-1-foster.ryan.r@gmail.com> X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.52.0 In-Reply-To: <87v7i4hpi4.fsf@microsoft.com> References: <87v7i4hpi4.fsf@microsoft.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: bpf@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I am considering how to reconcile the TOCTOU concern with the "don't touch BPF internals" feedback, I think a very small API might help: Minimal API draft: BPF integrity measurement Goal: kernel-generated measurement of the final relocated program + declared inputs, so attach/link can be enforced without poking internals. 1) New BPF cmd - BPF_MEASURE_PROG (or BPF_PROG_MEASURE) - Input: prog_fd - Output: opaque measurement blob + metadata struct bpf_prog_measure_opts { __u32 size; __u32 flags; __u32 sig_len; __u64 sig_ptr; __u64 prog_id; __u64 meas_id; }; Semantics - Kernel computes measurement over final relocated insns + inputs explicitly in the integrity contract (e.g., sealed maps). - Measurement is kernel-owned and stable for a program state. 2) Per-prog integrity state enum lsm_integrity_verdict { LSM_INT_VERDICT_UNSIGNED, LSM_INT_VERDICT_PARTIAL, LSM_INT_VERDICT_OK, LSM_INT_VERDICT_BADSIG, }; struct bpf_prog_integrity { __u64 meas_id; enum lsm_integrity_verdict v; }; - Attach/link allowed only if policy verdict passes. - Any input mutation invalidates meas_id and resets verdict. 3) Input immutability - Only sealed/frozen maps can be measured. - Any write to a measured map invalidates the measurement. 4) LSM integration - Hornet (or another integrity LSM) consumes the measurement blob, verifies signatures, stores verdict. - SELinux/IPE/BPF LSMs can gate attach/link based on verdict. Why this helps - TOCTOU: verification tied to final relocated program + frozen inputs; mutations invalidate. - No BPF internals: LSMs use a stable syscall API, not map internals. - Minimal blast radius: one syscall + small per-prog state. A thought for future iterations, happy to help refine if this seems useful. Thanks, Ryan