From: Yonghong Song <yhs@meta.com>
To: Jiri Olsa <olsajiri@gmail.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: Alan Maguire <alan.maguire@oracle.com>,
Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
Song Liu <song@kernel.org>, Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
KP Singh <kpsingh@kernel.org>,
Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>, Hao Luo <haoluo@google.com>,
bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>,
Lorenz Bauer <lmb@isovalent.com>, Timo Beckers <timo@incline.eu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next] bpf: Add --skip_encoding_btf_inconsistent_proto, --btf_gen_optimized to pahole flags for v1.25
Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 19:59:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <278ac187-58ea-7faf-be2d-224886404ea2@meta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZF61j8WJls25BYTl@krava>
On 5/12/23 2:54 PM, Jiri Olsa wrote:
> On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 11:59:34AM -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
>> On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 9:04 AM Alan Maguire <alan.maguire@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/05/2023 03:51, Yafang Shao wrote:
>>>> On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 9:03 PM Alan Maguire <alan.maguire@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> v1.25 of pahole supports filtering out functions with multiple inconsistent
>>>>> function prototypes or optimized-out parameters from the BTF representation.
>>>>> These present problems because there is no additional info in BTF saying which
>>>>> inconsistent prototype matches which function instance to help guide attachment,
>>>>> and functions with optimized-out parameters can lead to incorrect assumptions
>>>>> about register contents.
>>>>>
>>>>> So for now, filter out such functions while adding BTF representations for
>>>>> functions that have "."-suffixes (foo.isra.0) but not optimized-out parameters.
>>>>> This patch assumes that below linked changes land in pahole for v1.25.
>>>>>
>>>>> Issues with pahole filtering being too aggressive in removing functions
>>>>> appear to be resolved now, but CI and further testing will confirm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Alan Maguire <alan.maguire@oracle.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> scripts/pahole-flags.sh | 3 +++
>>>>> 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/scripts/pahole-flags.sh b/scripts/pahole-flags.sh
>>>>> index 1f1f1d397c39..728d55190d97 100755
>>>>> --- a/scripts/pahole-flags.sh
>>>>> +++ b/scripts/pahole-flags.sh
>>>>> @@ -23,5 +23,8 @@ if [ "${pahole_ver}" -ge "124" ]; then
>>>>> # see PAHOLE_HAS_LANG_EXCLUDE
>>>>> extra_paholeopt="${extra_paholeopt} --lang_exclude=rust"
>>>>> fi
>>>>> +if [ "${pahole_ver}" -ge "125" ]; then
>>>>> + extra_paholeopt="${extra_paholeopt} --skip_encoding_btf_inconsistent_proto --btf_gen_optimized"
>>>>> +fi
>>>>>
>>>>> echo ${extra_paholeopt}
>>>>> --
>>>>> 2.31.1
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That change looks like a workaround to me.
>>>> There may be multiple functions that have the same proto, e.g.:
>>>>
>>>> $ grep -r "bpf_iter_detach_map(struct bpf_iter_aux_info \*aux)"
>>>> kernel/bpf/ net/core/
>>>> kernel/bpf/map_iter.c:static void bpf_iter_detach_map(struct
>>>> bpf_iter_aux_info *aux)
>>>> net/core/bpf_sk_storage.c:static void bpf_iter_detach_map(struct
>>>> bpf_iter_aux_info *aux)
>>>>
>>>> $ bpftool btf dump file /sys/kernel/btf/vmlinux | grep -B 2
>>>> bpf_iter_detach_map
>>>> [34691] FUNC_PROTO '(anon)' ret_type_id=0 vlen=1
>>>> 'aux' type_id=2638
>>>> [34692] FUNC 'bpf_iter_detach_map' type_id=34691 linkage=static
>>>>
>>>> We don't know which one it is in the BTF.
>>>> However, I'm not against this change, as it can avoid some issues.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In the above case, the BTF representation is consistent though.
>>> That is, if I attach fentry progs to either of these functions
>>> based on that BTF representation, nothing will crash.
>>>
>>> That's ultimately what those changes are about; ensuring
>>> consistency in BTF representation, so when a function is in
>>> BTF we can know the signature of the function can be safely
>>> used by fentry for example.
>>>
>>> The question of being able to identify functions (as opposed
>>> to having a consistent representation) is the next step.
>>> Finding a way to link between kallsyms and BTF would allow us to
>>> have multiple inconsistent functions in BTF, since we could map
>>> from BTF -> kallsyms safely. So two functions called "foo"
>>> with different function signatures would be okay, because
>>> we'd know which was which in kallsyms and could attach
>>> safely. Something like a BTF tag for the function that could
>>> clarify that mapping - but just for cases where it would
>>> otherwise be ambiguous - is probably the way forward
>>> longer term.
>>>
>>> Jiri's talking about this topic at LSF/MM/BPF this week I believe.
>>
>> Jiri presented a few ideas during LSFMMBPF.
>>
>> I feel the best approach is to add a set of addr-s to BTF
>> via a special decl_tag.
>> We can also consider extending KIND_FUNC.
>> The advantage that every BTF func will have one or more addrs
>> associated with it and bpf prog loading logic wouldn't need to do
>> fragile name comparison between btf and kallsyms.
>> pahole can take addrs from dwarf and optionally double check with kallsyms.
>
> Yonghong summed it up in another email discussion, pasting it in here:
>
> So overall we have three options as kallsyms representation now:
> (a) "addr module:foo:dir_a/dir_b/core.c"
> (b) "addr module:foo"
> (c) "addr module:foo:btf_id"
>
> option (a):
> 'dir_a/dir_b/core.c' needs to be encoded in BTF.
> user space either check file path or func signature
> to find attach_btf_id and pass to the kernel.
> kernel can find file path in BTF and then lookup
> kallsyms to find addr.
>
> option (b):
> "addr" needs to be encoded in BTF.
> user space checks func signature to find
> attach_btf_id and pass to the kernel.
> kernel can find addr in BTF and use it.
>
> option (c):
> if user can decide which function to attach, e.g.,
> through func signature, then no BTF encoding
> is necessary. attach_btf_id is passed to the
> kernel and search kallsyms to find the matching
> btf_id and 'addr' will be available then.
>
> For option (b) and (c), user space needs to check
> func signature to find which btf_id to use. If
> same-name static functions having the identical
> signatures, then user space would have a hard time
> to differentiate. I think it should be very
> rare same-name static functions in the kernel will have
> identical signatures. But if we want 100% correctness,
> we may need file path in which case option (a)
> is preferable.
As Alexei mentioned in previous email, for such a extreme case,
if user is willing to go through extra step to check dwarf
to find and match file path, then (b) and (c) should work
perfectly as well.
>
> Current option (a) kallsyms format is under review.
> option (c) also needs kallsyms change...
>
>
> my thoughts so far is that I like the idea of storing functions address
> in BTF (option b), because it's the easiest way
>
> on the other hand, user would need debug info to find address for the function
> to trace.. but still just for small subset of functions that share same name
>
> also I like Lorenz's idea of storing BTF ID in kalsyms and verifier being
> able to lookup address based on BTF ID.. seems like easier kallsyms change,
> but it would still require storing objects paths in BTF to pick up the
> correct one
>
> cc-ing other folks
>
> jirka
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2023-05-10 13:02 [PATCH bpf-next] bpf: Add --skip_encoding_btf_inconsistent_proto, --btf_gen_optimized to pahole flags for v1.25 Alan Maguire
2023-05-10 17:15 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-05-12 2:51 ` Yafang Shao
2023-05-12 16:03 ` Alan Maguire
2023-05-12 18:59 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-05-12 21:54 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-05-13 2:59 ` Yonghong Song [this message]
2023-05-14 17:37 ` Yonghong Song
2023-05-14 21:49 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-05-15 4:06 ` Yonghong Song
2023-05-15 14:53 ` Alan Maguire
2023-05-15 19:33 ` Yonghong Song
2023-05-12 19:00 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
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2023-02-09 13:28 [PATCH bpf-next] bpf: add " Alan Maguire
2023-02-09 15:08 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-02-13 17:00 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
2023-02-14 3:12 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-02-14 6:09 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-03-09 1:53 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-03-09 8:16 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-03-09 10:11 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-03-09 12:26 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-03-09 14:58 ` Alan Maguire
2023-02-14 12:27 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-02-14 16:17 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-02-14 22:12 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-02-17 13:45 ` Alan Maguire
2023-02-07 17:14 [PATCH v3 dwarves 0/8] dwarves: support encoding of optimized-out parameters, removal of inconsistent static functions Alan Maguire
2023-02-08 16:20 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-02-08 16:50 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
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2023-02-09 13:09 ` [PATCH bpf-next] bpf: add --skip_encoding_btf_inconsistent_proto, --btf_gen_optimized to pahole flags for v1.25 Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
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