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From: Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>
To: kuifeng@meta.com
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, ast@kernel.org, song@kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com, andrii@kernel.org,
	Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>,
	Kui-Feng Lee <sinquersw@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC bpf-next 1/5] bpf: enable sleepable BPF programs attached to cgroup/{get,set}sockopt.
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:28:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2cbc2699-a88d-5798-eabd-b4dafdf6d100@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKH8qBsn9e+ROsBN9EJ9mWQ6T_1=d0adHYPQ37WwM0TVn1H9hw@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/1/23 11:08 AM, Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 10:31 AM Kui-Feng Lee <sinquersw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/31/23 16:35, Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 3:02 PM Kui-Feng Lee <sinquersw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the late reply! I just backed from a vacation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/24/23 11:36, Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
>>>>> On 07/21, kuifeng@meta.com wrote:
>>>>>> From: Kui-Feng Lee <kuifeng@meta.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enable sleepable cgroup/{get,set}sockopt hooks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sleepable BPF programs attached to cgroup/{get,set}sockopt hooks may
>>>>>> received a pointer to the optval in user space instead of a kernel
>>>>>> copy. ctx->user_optval and ctx->user_optval_end are the pointers to the
>>>>>> begin and end of the user space buffer if receiving a user space
>>>>>> buffer. ctx->optval and ctx->optval_end will be a kernel copy if receiving
>>>>>> a kernel space buffer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A program receives a user space buffer if ctx->flags &
>>>>>> BPF_SOCKOPT_FLAG_OPTVAL_USER is true, otherwise it receives a kernel space
>>>>>> buffer.  The BPF programs should not read/write from/to a user space buffer
>>>>>> dirrectly.  It should access the buffer through bpf_copy_from_user() and
>>>>>> bpf_copy_to_user() provided in the following patches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Kui-Feng Lee <kuifeng@meta.com>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>     include/linux/filter.h         |   3 +
>>>>>>     include/uapi/linux/bpf.h       |   9 ++
>>>>>>     kernel/bpf/cgroup.c            | 189 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------
>>>>>>     kernel/bpf/verifier.c          |   7 +-
>>>>>>     tools/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h |   9 ++
>>>>>>     tools/lib/bpf/libbpf.c         |   2 +
>>>>>>     6 files changed, 176 insertions(+), 43 deletions(-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/include/linux/filter.h b/include/linux/filter.h
>>>>>> index f69114083ec7..301dd1ba0de1 100644
>>>>>> --- a/include/linux/filter.h
>>>>>> +++ b/include/linux/filter.h
>>>>>> @@ -1345,6 +1345,9 @@ struct bpf_sockopt_kern {
>>>>>>        s32             level;
>>>>>>        s32             optname;
>>>>>>        s32             optlen;
>>>>>> +    u32             flags;
>>>>>> +    u8              *user_optval;
>>>>>> +    u8              *user_optval_end;
>>>>>>        /* for retval in struct bpf_cg_run_ctx */
>>>>>>        struct task_struct *current_task;
>>>>>>        /* Temporary "register" for indirect stores to ppos. */
>>>>>> diff --git a/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h b/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
>>>>>> index 739c15906a65..b2f81193f97b 100644
>>>>>> --- a/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
>>>>>> +++ b/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
>>>>>> @@ -7135,6 +7135,15 @@ struct bpf_sockopt {
>>>>>>        __s32   optname;
>>>>>>        __s32   optlen;
>>>>>>        __s32   retval;
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +    __bpf_md_ptr(void *, user_optval);
>>>>>> +    __bpf_md_ptr(void *, user_optval_end);
>>>>>
>>>>> Can we re-purpose existing optval/optval_end pointers
>>>>> for the sleepable programs? IOW, when the prog is sleepable,
>>>>> pass user pointers via optval/optval_end and require the programs
>>>>> to do copy_to/from on this buffer (even if the backing pointer might be
>>>>> in kernel memory - we can handle that in the kfuncs?).
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that the program now needs to look at the flag
>>>>> (BPF_SOCKOPT_FLAG_OPTVAL_USER) and decide which buffer to
>>>>> use makes the handling even more complicated; and we already have a
>>>>> bunch of hairy stuff in these hooks. (or I misreading the change?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, regarding sleepable and non-sleepable co-existence: do we really need
>>>>> that? Can we say that all the programs have to be sleepable
>>>>> or non-sleepable? Mixing them complicates the sharing of that buffer.
>>>>
>>>> I considered this approach as well. This is an open question for me.
>>>> If we go this way, it means we can not attach a BPF program of a type
>>>> if any program of the other type has been installed.
>>>
>>> If we pass two pointers (kernel copy buffer + real user mem) to the
>>> sleepable program, we'll make it even more complicated by inheriting
>>> all existing warts of the non-sleepable version :-( >>> IOW, feels like we should try to see if we can have some
>>> copy_to/from_user kfuncs in the sleepable version that transparently
>>> support either kernel or user memory (and prohibit direct access to
>>> user_optval in the sleepable version).

 From looking at patch 5 selftest, I also think exposing user_optval_* and flags 
is not ideal. For example, correct me if I am wrong, in patch 3, dynptr is only 
used for setsockopt to alloc. Intuitively, when developing a bpf prog, I would 
expect using bpf_dynptr_write() to write a new sockopt and then done. However, 
it still needs to "install" (by calling bpf_sockopt_install_optval). I think the 
"install" part is leaking too much internal details.

Beside, adding both new 'ctx->user_optval + len > ctx->user_optval_end' and 
dynptr usage pattern together is counter productive considering dynptr is to 
avoid the length comparison. Saving an unnecessary "copy_from_user(ctx.optval, 
optval,...)" is more important than being able to directly read from 
ctx->user_optval. The bpf prog is usually only interested in a few optnames and 
directly returns without even looking at the optval for the uninterested 
optnames. The current __cgroup_bpf_run_filter_{get,set}sockopt always does a 
"copy_from_user(ctx.optval, optval,...)".

>>> And then, if we have one non-sleepable program in the chain, we can
>>> fallback everything to the kernel buffer (maybe).
>>> This way seems like we can support both versions in the same chain and
>>> have a more sane api?
>>
>> Basically, you are saying to move cp_from_optval() and cp_to_optval() in
>> the testcase to kfuncs. This can cause unnecessary copy. We can add
>> an API to make a dynptr from the ctx to avoid unnecessary copies.
> 
> Yeah, handle this transparently in the kfunc or via dynptr, whatever works.
> I'm not too worried about the extra copy tbh, this is a slow path; I'm
> more concerned about improving the bpf program / user experience.

+1. It will be great if all can be done in two kfunc (/dynptr_{write,read}). I 
would disallow sleepable prog to use the optval if it can make things simpler. 
If it goes with dynptr, need to support bpf_dynptr_slice() as well which I think 
should be doable after a quick thought.

The test needs to include a cgrp->effective array that has interleaved sleepable 
and non-sleepable bpf progs.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-02 22:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-22  5:22 [RFC bpf-next 0/5] Sleepable BPF programs on cgroup {get,set}sockopt kuifeng
2023-07-22  5:22 ` [RFC bpf-next 1/5] bpf: enable sleepable BPF programs attached to cgroup/{get,set}sockopt kuifeng
2023-07-24 18:36   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-31 22:02     ` Kui-Feng Lee
2023-07-31 23:35       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-08-01 17:31         ` Kui-Feng Lee
2023-08-01 18:08           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-08-02 22:28             ` Martin KaFai Lau [this message]
2023-08-02 19:25   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2023-07-22  5:22 ` [RFC bpf-next 2/5] bpf: Provide bpf_copy_from_user() and bpf_copy_to_user() kuifeng
2023-08-02 19:59   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2023-07-22  5:22 ` [RFC bpf-next 3/5] bpf: Add a new dynptr type for CGRUP_SOCKOPT kuifeng
2023-07-22  5:22 ` [RFC bpf-next 4/5] bpf: Prevent BPF programs from access the buffer pointed by user_optval kuifeng
2023-07-22  5:22 ` [RFC bpf-next 5/5] bpf: Add test cases for sleepable BPF programs of the CGROUP_SOCKOPT type kuifeng

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