From: Tao Chen <chen.dylane@linux.dev>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
Eduard <eddyz87@gmail.com>, Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
Yonghong Song <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
KP Singh <kpsingh@kernel.org>,
Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@fomichev.me>, Hao Luo <haoluo@google.com>,
Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/2] bpf: Add lookup_and_delete_elem for BPF_MAP_STACK_TRACE
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2025 21:34:54 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <457b805f-ea5c-460e-b93f-b7b63f3358af@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQ+s8B7-fvR1TNO-bniSyKv57cH_ihRszmZV7pQDyV=VDQ@mail.gmail.com>
在 2025/9/18 09:35, Alexei Starovoitov 写道:
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 3:16 PM Andrii Nakryiko
> <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> P.S. It seems like a good idea to switch STACKMAP to open addressing
>> instead of the current kind-of-bucket-chain-but-not-really
>> implementation. It's fixed size and pre-allocated already, so open
>> addressing seems like a great approach here, IMO.
>
> That makes sense. It won't have backward compat issues.
> Just more reliable stack_id.
>
> Fixed value_size is another footgun there.
> Especially for collecting user stack traces.
> We can switch the whole stackmap to bpf_mem_alloc()
> or wait for kmalloc_nolock().
> But it's probably a diminishing return.
>
> bpf_get_stack() also isn't great with a copy into
> perf_callchain_entry, then 2nd copy into on stack/percpu buf/ringbuf,
> and 3rd copy of correct size into ringbuf (optional).
>
> Also, I just realized we have another nasty race there.
> In the past bpf progs were run in preempt disabled context,
> but we forgot to adjust bpf_get_stack[id]() helpers when everything
> switched to migrate disable.
>
> The return value from get_perf_callchain() may be reused
> if another task preempts and requests the stack.
> We have partially incorrect comment in __bpf_get_stack() too:
> if (may_fault)
> rcu_read_lock(); /* need RCU for perf's callchain below */
>
> rcu can be preemptable. so rcu_read_lock() makes
> trace = get_perf_callchain(...)
> accessible, but that per-cpu trace buffer can be overwritten.
> It's not an issue for CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE=y, but that doesn't
> give much comfort.
Hi Alexei,
Can we fix it like this?
- if (may_fault)
- rcu_read_lock(); /* need RCU for perf's callchain below */
+ preempt_diable();
if (trace_in)
trace = trace_in;
@@ -455,8 +454,7 @@ static long __bpf_get_stack(struct pt_regs *regs,
struct task_struct *task,
crosstask, false);
if (unlikely(!trace) || trace->nr < skip) {
- if (may_fault)
- rcu_read_unlock();
+ preempt_enable();
goto err_fault;
}
@@ -475,9 +473,7 @@ static long __bpf_get_stack(struct pt_regs *regs,
struct task_struct *task,
memcpy(buf, ips, copy_len);
}
- /* trace/ips should not be dereferenced after this point */
- if (may_fault)
- rcu_read_unlock();
+ preempt_enable();
>
> Modern day bpf api would probably be
> - get_callchain_entry()/put() kfuncs to expose low level mechanism
> with safe acq/rel of temp buffer.
> - then another kfuncs to perf_callchain_kernel/user into that buffer.
>
> and with bpf_mem_alloc and hash kfuncs the bpf prog can
> implement either bpf_get_stack() equivalent or much better
> bpf_get_stackid() with variable length stack traces and so on.
--
Best Regards
Tao Chen
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-18 13:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-09 16:32 [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/2] bpf: Add lookup_and_delete_elem for BPF_MAP_STACK_TRACE Tao Chen
2025-09-09 16:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 2/2] selftests/bpf: Add stacktrace map lookup_and_delete_elem test case Tao Chen
2025-09-17 22:16 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/2] bpf: Add lookup_and_delete_elem for BPF_MAP_STACK_TRACE Andrii Nakryiko
2025-09-18 1:35 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-18 13:34 ` Tao Chen [this message]
2025-09-19 2:01 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-19 2:08 ` Tao Chen
2025-09-18 12:45 ` Tao Chen
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