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From: Joanne Koong <joannekoong@fb.com>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>
Cc: bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Kernel Team <Kernel-team@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 bpf-next 4/4] selftest/bpf/benchs: add bpf_loop benchmark
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 16:04:42 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5d363ea7-16c6-b8e8-b6ee-11cbe9bf1cf2@fb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lf1db4gh.fsf@toke.dk>

On 11/24/21 1:59 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:

> Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 4:56 AM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> Joanne Koong <joannekoong@fb.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 11/23/21 11:19 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Joanne Koong <joannekoong@fb.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Add benchmark to measure the throughput and latency of the bpf_loop
>>>>>> call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Testing this on qemu on my dev machine on 1 thread, the data is
>>>>>> as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           nr_loops: 1
>>>>>> bpf_loop - throughput: 43.350 ± 0.864 M ops/s, latency: 23.068 ns/op
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           nr_loops: 10
>>>>>> bpf_loop - throughput: 69.586 ± 1.722 M ops/s, latency: 14.371 ns/op
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           nr_loops: 100
>>>>>> bpf_loop - throughput: 72.046 ± 1.352 M ops/s, latency: 13.880 ns/op
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           nr_loops: 500
>>>>>> bpf_loop - throughput: 71.677 ± 1.316 M ops/s, latency: 13.951 ns/op
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           nr_loops: 1000
>>>>>> bpf_loop - throughput: 69.435 ± 1.219 M ops/s, latency: 14.402 ns/op
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           nr_loops: 5000
>>>>>> bpf_loop - throughput: 72.624 ± 1.162 M ops/s, latency: 13.770 ns/op
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           nr_loops: 10000
>>>>>> bpf_loop - throughput: 75.417 ± 1.446 M ops/s, latency: 13.260 ns/op
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           nr_loops: 50000
>>>>>> bpf_loop - throughput: 77.400 ± 2.214 M ops/s, latency: 12.920 ns/op
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           nr_loops: 100000
>>>>>> bpf_loop - throughput: 78.636 ± 2.107 M ops/s, latency: 12.717 ns/op
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           nr_loops: 500000
>>>>>> bpf_loop - throughput: 76.909 ± 2.035 M ops/s, latency: 13.002 ns/op
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           nr_loops: 1000000
>>>>>> bpf_loop - throughput: 77.636 ± 1.748 M ops/s, latency: 12.881 ns/op
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   From this data, we can see that the latency per loop decreases as the
>>>>>> number of loops increases. On this particular machine, each loop had an
>>>>>> overhead of about ~13 ns, and we were able to run ~70 million loops
>>>>>> per second.
>>>>> The latency figures are great, thanks! I assume these numbers are with
>>>>> retpolines enabled? Otherwise 12ns seems a bit much... Or is this
>>>>> because of qemu?
>>>> I just tested it on a machine (without retpoline enabled) that runs on
>>>> actual
>>>> hardware and here is what I found:
>>>>
>>>>               nr_loops: 1
>>>>       bpf_loop - throughput: 46.780 ± 0.064 M ops/s, latency: 21.377 ns/op
>>>>
>>>>               nr_loops: 10
>>>>       bpf_loop - throughput: 198.519 ± 0.155 M ops/s, latency: 5.037 ns/op
>>>>
>>>>               nr_loops: 100
>>>>       bpf_loop - throughput: 247.448 ± 0.305 M ops/s, latency: 4.041 ns/op
>>>>
>>>>               nr_loops: 500
>>>>       bpf_loop - throughput: 260.839 ± 0.380 M ops/s, latency: 3.834 ns/op
>>>>
>>>>               nr_loops: 1000
>>>>       bpf_loop - throughput: 262.806 ± 0.629 M ops/s, latency: 3.805 ns/op
>>>>
>>>>               nr_loops: 5000
>>>>       bpf_loop - throughput: 264.211 ± 1.508 M ops/s, latency: 3.785 ns/op
>>>>
>>>>               nr_loops: 10000
>>>>       bpf_loop - throughput: 265.366 ± 3.054 M ops/s, latency: 3.768 ns/op
>>>>
>>>>               nr_loops: 50000
>>>>       bpf_loop - throughput: 235.986 ± 20.205 M ops/s, latency: 4.238 ns/op
>>>>
>>>>               nr_loops: 100000
>>>>       bpf_loop - throughput: 264.482 ± 0.279 M ops/s, latency: 3.781 ns/op
>>>>
>>>>               nr_loops: 500000
>>>>       bpf_loop - throughput: 309.773 ± 87.713 M ops/s, latency: 3.228 ns/op
>>>>
>>>>               nr_loops: 1000000
>>>>       bpf_loop - throughput: 262.818 ± 4.143 M ops/s, latency: 3.805 ns/op
>>>>
>>>> The latency is about ~4ns / loop.
>>>>
>>>> I will update the commit message in v3 with these new numbers as well.
>>> Right, awesome, thank you for the additional test. This is closer to
>>> what I would expect: on the hardware I'm usually testing on, a function
>>> call takes ~1.5ns, but the difference might just be the hardware, or
>>> because these are indirect calls.
>>>
>>> Another comparison just occurred to me (but it's totally OK if you don't
>>> want to add any more benchmarks):
>>>
>>> The difference between a program that does:
>>>
>>> bpf_loop(nr_loops, empty_callback, NULL, 0);
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> for (i = 0; i < nr_loops; i++)
>>>    empty_callback();
>> You are basically trying to measure the overhead of bpf_loop() helper
>> call itself, because other than that it should be identical.
> No, I'm trying to measure the difference between the indirect call in
> the helper, and the direct call from the BPF program. Should be minor
> without retpolines, and somewhat higher where they are enabled...
>
>> We can estimate that already from the numbers Joanne posted above:
>>
>>               nr_loops: 1
>>        bpf_loop - throughput: 46.780 ± 0.064 M ops/s, latency: 21.377 ns/op
>>               nr_loops: 1000
>>        bpf_loop - throughput: 262.806 ± 0.629 M ops/s, latency: 3.805 ns/op
>>
>> nr_loops:1 is bpf_loop() overhead and one static callback call.
>> bpf_loop()'s own overhead will be in the ballpark of 21.4 - 3.8 =
>> 17.6ns. I don't think we need yet another benchmark just for this.
> That seems really high, though? The helper is a pretty simple function,
> and the call to it should just be JIT'ed into a single regular function
> call, right? So why the order-of-magnitude difference?
I think the overhead of triggering the bpf program from the userspace
benchmarking program is also contributing to this. When nr_loops = 1, we
have to do the context switch between userspace + kernel per every 1000 
loops;
this overhead also contributes to the latency numbers above
> -Toke
>

  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-25  0:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-23 18:34 [PATCH v2 bpf-next 0/4] Add bpf_loop_helper Joanne Koong
2021-11-23 18:34 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 1/4] bpf: Add bpf_loop helper Joanne Koong
2021-11-23 22:46   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2021-11-23 18:34 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 2/4] selftests/bpf: Add bpf_loop test Joanne Koong
2021-11-23 18:34 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 3/4] selftests/bpf: measure bpf_loop verifier performance Joanne Koong
2021-11-23 18:34 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 4/4] selftest/bpf/benchs: add bpf_loop benchmark Joanne Koong
2021-11-23 19:19   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-11-24  0:20     ` Joanne Koong
2021-11-24 12:56       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-11-24 19:26         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2021-11-24 21:59           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-11-25  0:04             ` Joanne Koong [this message]
2021-11-25 11:35               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-11-29 19:41                 ` Joanne Koong
2021-11-23 18:47 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 0/4] Add bpf_loop_helper Joanne Koong

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