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From: Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>
Cc: Donglin Peng <dolinux.peng@gmail.com>,
	ast@kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, Alan Maguire <alan.maguire@oracle.com>,
	Song Liu <song@kernel.org>, pengdonglin <pengdonglin@xiaomi.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 2/7] libbpf: Add BTF permutation support for type reordering
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2025 17:20:42 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <627795f165b1e66500b9f032ed7474125938f33a.camel@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEf4BzaLmVuPRL4V1VKBmaXtrvT=oLwo=M7sLURgoYU34BkpMQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 2025-11-04 at 17:04 -0800, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 4:16 PM Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 2025-11-04 at 16:11 -0800, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > > +static int btf_permute_remap_type_id(__u32 *type_id, void *ctx)
> > > > +{
> > > > +       struct btf_permute *p = ctx;
> > > > +       __u32 new_type_id = *type_id;
> > > > +
> > > > +       /* skip references that point into the base BTF */
> > > > +       if (new_type_id < p->btf->start_id)
> > > > +               return 0;
> > > > +
> > > > +       new_type_id = p->map[*type_id - p->btf->start_id];
> > > 
> > > I'm actually confused, I thought p->ids would be the mapping from
> > > original type ID (minus start_id, of course) to a new desired ID, but
> > > it looks to be the other way? ids is a desired resulting *sequence* of
> > > types identified by their original ID. I find it quite confusing. I
> > > think about permutation as a mapping from original type ID to a new
> > > type ID, am I confused?
> > 
> > Yes, it is a desired sequence, not mapping.
> > I guess its a bit simpler to use for sorting use-case, as you can just
> > swap ids while sorting.
> 
> The question is really what makes most sense as an interface. Because
> for sorting cases it's just the matter of a two-line for() loop to
> create ID mapping once types are sorted.
> 
> I have slight preference for id_map approach because it is easy to
> extend to the case of selectively dropping some types. We can just
> define that such IDs should be mapped to zero. This will work as a
> natural extension. With the desired end sequence of IDs, it's less
> natural and will require more work to determine which IDs are missing
> from the sequence.
> 
> So unless there is some really good and strong reason, shall we go
> with the ID mapping approach?

If the interface is extended with types_cnt, as you suggest, deleting
types is trivial with sequence interface as well. At-least the way it
is implemented by this patch, you just copy elements from 'ids' one by
one.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-05  1:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-04 13:40 [RFC PATCH v4 0/7] libbpf: BTF performance optimizations with permutation and binary search Donglin Peng
2025-11-04 13:40 ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/7] libbpf: Extract BTF type remapping logic into helper function Donglin Peng
2025-11-04 23:16   ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-11-05  0:11   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-05  0:36     ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-11-05  0:57       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-05  1:23         ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-11-05 18:20           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-05 19:41             ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-11-06 17:09               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-04 13:40 ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/7] libbpf: Add BTF permutation support for type reordering Donglin Peng
2025-11-04 23:45   ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-11-05 11:31     ` Donglin Peng
2025-11-05  0:11   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-05  0:16     ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-11-05  1:04       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-05  1:20         ` Eduard Zingerman [this message]
2025-11-05 13:19           ` Donglin Peng
2025-11-05 18:32             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-05 18:23           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-05 19:23             ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-11-06 17:21               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-07  2:36             ` Donglin Peng
2025-11-07 17:43               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-05 12:52     ` Donglin Peng
2025-11-05 18:29       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-06  7:31         ` Donglin Peng
2025-11-06 17:12           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-07  1:39             ` Donglin Peng
2025-11-04 13:40 ` [RFC PATCH v4 3/7] libbpf: Optimize type lookup with binary search for sorted BTF Donglin Peng
2025-11-04 14:15   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-11-05  0:06   ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-11-05  0:11   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-05  0:19     ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-11-05  0:54       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-05  1:17         ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-11-05 13:48           ` Donglin Peng
2025-11-05 16:52             ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-11-06  6:10               ` Donglin Peng
2025-11-05 18:11             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-06  7:49               ` Donglin Peng
2025-11-06 17:31                 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-07  4:57                   ` Donglin Peng
2025-11-07 17:01                     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-11-10  2:04                       ` Donglin Peng
2025-11-04 13:40 ` [RFC PATCH v4 4/7] libbpf: Implement lazy sorting validation for binary search optimization Donglin Peng
2025-11-05  0:29   ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-11-04 13:40 ` [RFC PATCH v4 5/7] btf: Optimize type lookup with binary search Donglin Peng
2025-11-04 17:14   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-11-05 13:22     ` Donglin Peng
2025-11-04 13:40 ` [RFC PATCH v4 6/7] btf: Add lazy sorting validation for " Donglin Peng
2025-11-04 13:40 ` [RFC PATCH v4 7/7] selftests/bpf: Add test cases for btf__permute functionality Donglin Peng
2025-11-05  0:41   ` Eduard Zingerman

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