From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Indu Bhagat <indu.bhagat@oracle.com>, rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
bpf@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
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Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
"Jose E. Marchesi" <jemarch@gnu.org>,
Beau Belgrave <beaub@linux.microsoft.com>,
Jens Remus <jremus@linux.ibm.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>,
Brian Robbins <brianrob@microsoft.com>,
Elena Zannoni <elena.zannoni@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] New codectl(2) system call for sframe registration
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 14:49:31 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <79b59f16-3f77-4e94-ab85-dc454b1df18e@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <69d09381-2315-4c95-ba5a-28d148ffd19d@oracle.com>
On 2025-07-22 14:21, Indu Bhagat wrote:
> On 7/21/25 8:20 AM, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I've written up an RFC for a new system call to handle sframe
>> registration
>> for shared libraries. There has been interest to cover both sframe in
>> the short term, but also JIT use-cases in the long term, so I'm
>> covering both here in this RFC to provide the full context.
>> Implementation
>> wise we could start by only covering the sframe use-case.
>>
>> I've called it "codectl(2)" for now, but I'm of course open to feedback.
>>
>> For ELF, I'm including the optional pathname, build id, and debug link
>> information which are really useful to translate from instruction
>> pointers
>> to executable/library name, symbol, offset, source file, line number.
>> This is what we are using in LTTng-UST and Babeltrace debug-info filter
>> plugin [1], and I think this would be relevant for kernel tracers as well
>> so they can make the resulting stack traces meaningful to users.
>>
>> sys_codectl(2)
>> =================
>>
>> * arg0: unsigned int @option:
>>
>> /* Additional labels can be added to enum code_opt, for extensibility. */
>>
>> enum code_opt {
>> CODE_REGISTER_ELF,
>> CODE_REGISTER_JIT,
>> CODE_UNREGISTER,
>> };
>>
>> * arg1: void * @info
>>
>> /* if (@option == CODE_REGISTER_ELF) */
>>
>> /*
>> * text_start, text_end, sframe_start, sframe_end allow unwinding of the
>> * call stack.
>> *
>> * elf_start, elf_end, pathname, and either build_id or debug_link
>> allows
>> * mapping instruction pointers to file, symbol, offset, and source file
>> * location.
>> */
>> struct code_elf_info {
>> : __u64 elf_start;
>> __u64 elf_end;
>
> What are the elf_start , elf_end intended for ?
The intent is to know at which address the first loadable segment of
the shared object is mapped (elf_start), and the size of the shared
object mapping, which is the sum of the size of its PT_LOAD segments.
This allows tooling to easily lookup which addresses belong to that
shared object, for any loaded segment, whether it's code or data.
>
>> __u64 text_start;
>> __u64 text_end;
>> __u64 sframe_start;
>> __u64 sframe_end;
>> __u64 pathname; /* char *, NULL if unavailable. */
>>
>> __u64 build_id; /* char *, NULL if unavailable. */
>> __u64 debug_link_pathname; /* char *, NULL if unavailable. */
>> __u32 build_id_len;
>> __u32 debug_link_crc;
>> };
>>
>>
>> /* if (@option == CODE_REGISTER_JIT) */
>>
>> /*
>> * Registration of sorted JIT unwind table: The reserved memory area is
>> * of size reserved_len. Userspace increases used_len as new code is
>> * populated between text_start and text_end. This area is populated in
>> * increasing address order, and its ABI requires to have no overlapping
>> * fre. This fits the common use-case where JITs populate code into
>> * a given memory area by increasing address order. The sorted unwind
>> * tables can be chained with a singly-linked list as they become full.
>> * Consecutive chained tables are also in sorted text address order.
>> *
>> * Note: if there is an eventual use-case for unsorted jit unwind table,
>> * this would be introduced as a new "code option".
>> */
>>
>> struct code_jit_info {
>> __u64 text_start; /* text_start >= addr */
>> __u64 text_end; /* addr < text_end */
>> __u64 unwind_head; /* struct code_jit_unwind_table * */
>> };
>>
>
> I see the discussion has evolved here with the general sentiment that
> the JIT part needs to be kept in mind for a rough sketch but cannot be
> designed at this time. But two comments (if we keep JIT part in the
> discussion):
> - I think we need to keep __u64 unwind_head not a pointer to a
> defined structure (struct code_jit_unwind_table * above), but some
> opaque type like we have for SFrame case.
What is the reason for making this an opaque type for sframe ?
> - The reserved_len should ideally be a part of code_jit_info, so the
> length can be known without parsing the contents.
I've placed reserved_len within the unwind table because I planned to
have the jit information for a given range of text be a linked list of
tables. Therefore, if one table fills up, then another table can be
chained at the tail. Having the reserved_len part of each table makes
things easier to combine into a linked list.
Thanks for your feedback !
Mathieu
>
>> struct code_jit_unwind_fre {
>> /*
>> * Contains info similar to sframe, allowing unwind for a given
>> * code address range.
>> */
>> __u32 size;
>> __u32 ip_off; /* offset from text_start */
>> __s32 cfa_off;
>> __s32 ra_off;
>> __s32 fp_off;
>> __u8 info;
>> };
>>
>> struct code_jit_unwind_table {
>> __u64 reserved_len;
>> __u64 used_len; /*
>> * Incremented by userspace (store-release), read by
>> * the kernel (load-acquire).
>> */
>> __u64 next; /* Chain with next struct code_jit_unwind_table. */
>> struct code_jit_unwind_fre fre[];
>> };
>>
>> /* if (@option == CODE_UNREGISTER) */
>>
>> void *info
>>
>> * arg2: size_t info_size
>>
>> /*
>> * Size of @info structure, allowing extensibility. See
>> * copy_struct_from_user().
>> */
>>
>> * arg3: unsigned int flags (0)
>>
>> /* Flags for extensibility. */
>>
>> Your feedback is welcome,
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mathieu
>>
>> [1] https://babeltrace.org/docs/v2.0/man7/babeltrace2-filter.lttng-
>> utils.debug-info.7/
>>
>
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-22 18:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-21 15:20 [RFC] New codectl(2) system call for sframe registration Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-21 18:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-21 20:58 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-21 21:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-22 13:51 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-22 16:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-22 18:26 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-22 19:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-22 18:56 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2025-07-22 19:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-22 21:04 ` Indu Bhagat
2025-07-22 21:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-22 21:57 ` Indu Bhagat
2025-07-23 15:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-23 16:29 ` Indu Bhagat
2025-07-23 15:07 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-22 18:21 ` Indu Bhagat
2025-07-22 18:49 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2025-07-23 8:16 ` Indu Bhagat
2025-07-23 14:32 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-23 0:26 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-07-23 15:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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