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From: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] bpf: add bpf_real_inode() kfunc
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2026 00:42:41 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7a605318-9f09-436f-806e-d4a3bd31b97d@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <adfPlQrImtuyhMIO@infradead.org>

Hi Christoph,

On 2026/4/10 00:11, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 09, 2026 at 10:37:46PM +0800, Gao Xiang wrote:
>>> LBA data (which Linux also confusingly calls intgrity data) would be
>>> even simpler and easier to verify.  But yes, we need to clearly
>>> document what we want.
>>
>> Yes, you could keep hash / checksum in the extended OOB area, but
>> I guess you still don't know if the hash / checksum of the
>> particular data can be trusted (or is changed by attackers).
> 
> You'd still need to build a full merkle-tree out of them, but storing
> the leaf hashes in the extent LBAs means:

Yes, the leaf hashes can be stored in the extended
LBA area.

> 
>   - a lot less I/O amplification

But not quite sure recently how extended OOB data is
kept within the physical media (I remembered in the
early years each page of raw nand flashes has
several-byte OOB together with the user data): if
it's along with the corresponding LBA main area, I
guess it has to read extended data among multiple
LBAs (but the LBA main data may not relate to this
partcular I/O) in order to verify the hash of the
hashes.

>   - a sane way to actually have verification (including authenticated
>     encryption) in a writable file system

Yet if considering modification, it need to move up
the tree and recalculate/update all hashes until the
root hash, it's not a low-overhead task TBH, and need
to apply to every single on-disk change.

Thanks,
Gao Xiang

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-09 16:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-26 16:53 [PATCH] bpf: add bpf_real_inode() kfunc Christian Brauner
2026-03-26 17:02 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-03-27  5:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-03-27  6:05   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-07 10:25     ` Christian Brauner
2026-04-07 14:54       ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 13:19         ` Christian Brauner
2026-04-09 14:24           ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 14:37             ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-09 16:11               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:42                 ` Gao Xiang [this message]
2026-04-10  6:15                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-10  6:46                     ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-10  7:06                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-10  7:29                         ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-27 12:19 ` bot+bpf-ci

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