From: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] bpf: add bpf_real_inode() kfunc
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2026 00:42:41 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7a605318-9f09-436f-806e-d4a3bd31b97d@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <adfPlQrImtuyhMIO@infradead.org>
Hi Christoph,
On 2026/4/10 00:11, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 09, 2026 at 10:37:46PM +0800, Gao Xiang wrote:
>>> LBA data (which Linux also confusingly calls intgrity data) would be
>>> even simpler and easier to verify. But yes, we need to clearly
>>> document what we want.
>>
>> Yes, you could keep hash / checksum in the extended OOB area, but
>> I guess you still don't know if the hash / checksum of the
>> particular data can be trusted (or is changed by attackers).
>
> You'd still need to build a full merkle-tree out of them, but storing
> the leaf hashes in the extent LBAs means:
Yes, the leaf hashes can be stored in the extended
LBA area.
>
> - a lot less I/O amplification
But not quite sure recently how extended OOB data is
kept within the physical media (I remembered in the
early years each page of raw nand flashes has
several-byte OOB together with the user data): if
it's along with the corresponding LBA main area, I
guess it has to read extended data among multiple
LBAs (but the LBA main data may not relate to this
partcular I/O) in order to verify the hash of the
hashes.
> - a sane way to actually have verification (including authenticated
> encryption) in a writable file system
Yet if considering modification, it need to move up
the tree and recalculate/update all hashes until the
root hash, it's not a low-overhead task TBH, and need
to apply to every single on-disk change.
Thanks,
Gao Xiang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-09 16:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-03-26 16:53 [PATCH] bpf: add bpf_real_inode() kfunc Christian Brauner
2026-03-26 17:02 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-03-27 5:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-03-27 6:05 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-07 10:25 ` Christian Brauner
2026-04-07 14:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 13:19 ` Christian Brauner
2026-04-09 14:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 14:37 ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-09 16:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:42 ` Gao Xiang [this message]
2026-04-10 6:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-10 6:46 ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-10 7:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-10 7:29 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-27 12:19 ` bot+bpf-ci
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