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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@kernel.org>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>, bpf@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, keescook@chromium.org,
	brauner@kernel.org, lennart@poettering.net, cyphar@cyphar.com,
	luto@kernel.org, kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 bpf-next 00/18] BPF token
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2023 13:17:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871qik28bs.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230607235352.1723243-1-andrii@kernel.org>

Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org> writes:

> This patch set introduces new BPF object, BPF token, which allows to delegate
> a subset of BPF functionality from privileged system-wide daemon (e.g.,
> systemd or any other container manager) to a *trusted* unprivileged
> application. Trust is the key here. This functionality is not about allowing
> unconditional unprivileged BPF usage. Establishing trust, though, is
> completely up to the discretion of respective privileged application that
> would create a BPF token.

I am not convinced that this token-based approach is a good way to solve
this: having the delegation mechanism be one where you can basically
only grant a perpetual delegation with no way to retract it, no way to
check what exactly it's being used for, and that is transitive (can be
passed on to others with no restrictions) seems like a recipe for
disaster. I believe this was basically the point Casey was making as
well in response to v1.

If the goal is to enable a privileged application (such as a container
manager) to grant another unprivileged application the permission to
perform certain bpf() operations, why not just proxy the operations
themselves over some RPC mechanism? That way the granting application
can perform authentication checks on every operation and ensure its
origins are sound at the time it is being made. Instead of just writing
a blank check (in the form of a token) and hoping the receiver of it is
not compromised...

-Toke

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-06-09 11:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-07 23:53 [PATCH v2 bpf-next 00/18] BPF token Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 01/18] bpf: introduce BPF token object Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 02/18] libbpf: add bpf_token_create() API Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 03/18] selftests/bpf: add BPF_TOKEN_CREATE test Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 04/18] bpf: move unprivileged checks into map_create() and bpf_prog_load() Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 05/18] bpf: inline map creation logic in map_create() function Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 06/18] bpf: centralize permissions checks for all BPF map types Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 07/18] bpf: add BPF token support to BPF_MAP_CREATE command Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 08/18] libbpf: add BPF token support to bpf_map_create() API Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 09/18] selftests/bpf: add BPF token-enabled test for BPF_MAP_CREATE command Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 10/18] bpf: add BPF token support to BPF_BTF_LOAD command Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 11/18] libbpf: add BPF token support to bpf_btf_load() API Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 12/18] selftests/bpf: add BPF token-enabled BPF_BTF_LOAD selftest Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 13/18] bpf: keep BPF_PROG_LOAD permission checks clear of validations Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 14/18] bpf: add BPF token support to BPF_PROG_LOAD command Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 15/18] bpf: take into account BPF token when fetching helper protos Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 16/18] bpf: consistenly use BPF token throughout BPF verifier logic Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 17/18] libbpf: add BPF token support to bpf_prog_load() API Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-07 23:53 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 18/18] selftests/bpf: add BPF token-enabled BPF_PROG_LOAD tests Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-08 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 00/18] BPF token Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-08 22:17   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-09 11:17 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2023-06-09 18:21   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-09 21:21     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-06-09 22:03       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-12 10:49         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-06-12 22:08           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-13 21:48             ` Hao Luo
2023-06-14 12:06             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-06-15 22:55               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-09 18:32 ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-09 19:08   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-19 17:40     ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-21 23:48       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-22  8:22         ` Maryam Tahhan
2023-06-22 16:49           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]             ` <5a75d1f0-4ed9-399c-4851-2df0755de9b5@redhat.com>
2023-06-22 18:40               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-22 21:04                 ` Maryam Tahhan
2023-06-22 23:35                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-23  1:02                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-23 15:10                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-23 23:23                     ` Daniel Borkmann
2023-06-24 13:59                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-24 15:28                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-26 15:23                           ` Daniel Borkmann
2023-07-04 20:48                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-07-04 21:06                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-27 10:22                           ` Djalal Harouni
2023-06-26 22:31                         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-26 22:08                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-22 19:05             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-23  3:28               ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-23 16:13                 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-06-26 22:08                 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-22 18:20           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-23 23:07             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-06-26 22:08               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-07-04 21:05                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-09 22:29 ` Djalal Harouni
2023-06-09 22:57   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-12 12:02     ` Djalal Harouni
2023-06-12 14:31       ` Djalal Harouni
2023-06-12 22:27       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-14  0:23         ` Djalal Harouni
2023-06-14  9:39           ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-15 22:48             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-23 22:18               ` Daniel Borkmann
2023-06-26 22:08                 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-15 22:47           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-06-12 12:44 ` Dave Tucker
2023-06-12 15:52   ` Djalal Harouni
2023-06-12 23:04   ` Andrii Nakryiko

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