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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
To: Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>, Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Cc: Joanne Koong <joannekoong@fb.com>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, Kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/3] Add XDP support for bpf_load_hdr_opt
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 00:20:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lf33jh04.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211007235203.uksujks57djohg3p@kafai-mbp>

Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com> writes:

> On Thu, Oct 07, 2021 at 11:25:29PM +0200, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
>> I tend to agree with Toke here that this is not generic. What has been tried
>> to improve the verifier instead before submitting the series? It would be much
>> more preferable to improve the developer experience with regards to a generic
>> solution, so that other/similar problems can be tackled in one go as well such
>> as IP options, extension headers, etc.
> It would be nice to improve verifier to recognize it more smoothly.  Would
> love to hear idea how to do it.

So as far as I could tell, the verifier blows up in part because when
there's multiple bounded loops in sequence the verifier gets into a
combinatorial explosion of exploring all paths through the first loop
combined with all paths through the second. So if we could teach the
verifier to recognise that each loop is a separate entity to avoid this,
I think looping through headers would be a lot easier.

As you can probably tell, though, there is quite a bit of handwaving in
the above, and I have no idea how to actually do this. Some kind of
invariant analysis, maybe? But is this possible in general?

> When adding the tcp header options for bpf_sockops, a bpf_store_hdr_opt()
> is needed to ensure the header option is sane.  When writing test to parse
> variable length header option, I also pulled in tricks (e.g. "#pragma unroll"
> is easier to get it work.  Tried bounded loop but then hits max insns and
> then moved some cases into subprog...etc).  Most (if not all) TCP headers
> has some options (e.g. tstamp), so it will be useful to have an easy way
> to search a particular option and bpf_load_hdr_opt() was also added to
> bpf_sockops.

So if we can't fix the verifier, maybe we could come up with a more
general helper for packet parsing? Something like:

bpf_for_each_pkt_chunk(ctx, offset, callback_fn, callback_arg)
{
  ptr = ctx->data + offset;
  while (ptr < ctx->data_end) {
    offset = callback_fn(ptr, ctx->data_end, callback_arg);
    if (offset == 0)
      return 0;
    ptr += offset;
  }
  
  // out of bounds before callback was done
  return -EINVAL;
}
   
This would work for parsing any kind of packet header or TLV-style data
without having to teach the kernel about each header type. It'll have
quite a bit of overhead if all the callbacks happen via indirect calls,
but maybe the verifier can inline the calls (or at least turn them into
direct CALL instructions)?

-Toke


  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-08 22:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-06 23:05 [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/3] Add XDP support for bpf_load_hdr_opt Joanne Koong
2021-10-06 23:05 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/3] bpf/xdp: Add bpf_load_hdr_opt support for xdp Joanne Koong
2021-10-06 23:50   ` Song Liu
2021-10-06 23:05 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 2/3] bpf/selftests: Rename test_tcp_hdr_options to test_sockops_tcp_hdr_options Joanne Koong
2021-10-06 23:47   ` Song Liu
2021-10-06 23:05 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 3/3] bpf/selftests: Add xdp bpf_load_tcp_hdr_options tests Joanne Koong
2021-10-06 23:52   ` Song Liu
2021-10-07 14:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/3] Add XDP support for bpf_load_hdr_opt Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-07 20:57   ` Joanne Koong
2021-10-07 21:25     ` Daniel Borkmann
2021-10-07 23:52       ` Martin KaFai Lau
2021-10-08 22:20         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2021-10-11 18:43           ` Martin KaFai Lau
2021-10-12 14:11             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-12 20:51               ` Joanne Koong
2021-10-13 10:19                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-19  0:00           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2021-10-19 16:02             ` Yonghong Song
2021-10-19 16:10             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen

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