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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@kernel.org>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: "Stanislav Fomichev" <sdf@google.com>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii@kernel.org>,
	"Martin KaFai Lau" <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	"Song Liu" <song@kernel.org>, "Yonghong Song" <yhs@fb.com>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"KP Singh" <kpsingh@kernel.org>, "Hao Luo" <haoluo@google.com>,
	"Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	"Willem de Bruijn" <willemb@google.com>,
	"David Ahern" <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	"Karlsson, Magnus" <magnus.karlsson@intel.com>,
	"Björn Töpel" <bjorn@kernel.org>,
	"Fijalkowski, Maciej" <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>,
	"Network Development" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC bpf-next 0/7] bpf: netdev TX metadata
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 14:36:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pm5wgaws.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQJM6ttxLjj2FGCO1DKOwHdj9eqcz75dFpsfwJ_4b3iqDw@mail.gmail.com>

Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 5:00 AM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> It's probably going to work if each driver has a separate set of tx
>> >> fentry points, something like:
>> >>   {veth,mlx5,etc}_devtx_submit()
>> >>   {veth,mlx5,etc}_devtx_complete()
>>
>> I really don't get the opposition to exposing proper APIs; as a
>> dataplane developer I want to attach a program to an interface. The
>> kernel's role is to provide a consistent interface for this, not to
>> require users to become driver developers just to get at the required
>> details.
>
> Consistent interface can appear only when there is a consistency
> across nic manufacturers.
> I'm suggesting to experiment in the most unstable way and
> if/when the consistency is discovered then generalize.

That would be fine for new experimental HW features, but we're talking
about timestamps here: a feature that is already supported by multiple
drivers and for which the stack has a working abstraction. There's no
reason why we can't have that for the XDP path as well.

-Toke

  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-15 12:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-12 17:23 [RFC bpf-next 0/7] bpf: netdev TX metadata Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-12 17:23 ` [RFC bpf-next 1/7] bpf: rename some xdp-metadata functions into dev-bound Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-12 17:23 ` [RFC bpf-next 2/7] bpf: resolve single typedef when walking structs Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-12 17:23 ` [RFC bpf-next 3/7] bpf: implement devtx hook points Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-13 14:54   ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-06-13 19:00     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-13 19:29       ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-06-13 15:08   ` Simon Horman
2023-06-13 19:00     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-14  7:02       ` Simon Horman
2023-06-14 17:18         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-16  5:46   ` Kui-Feng Lee
2023-06-16 17:32     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-12 17:23 ` [RFC bpf-next 4/7] bpf: implement devtx timestamp kfunc Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-13 15:14   ` Simon Horman
2023-06-13 18:39     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-12 17:23 ` [RFC bpf-next 5/7] net: veth: implement devtx timestamp kfuncs Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-12 17:23 ` [RFC bpf-next 6/7] selftests/bpf: extend xdp_metadata with devtx kfuncs Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-13 14:47   ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-06-13 19:00     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-12 17:23 ` [RFC bpf-next 7/7] selftests/bpf: extend xdp_hw_metadata " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-13 15:03   ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-06-13 19:00     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-12 21:00 ` [RFC bpf-next 0/7] bpf: netdev TX metadata Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-06-13 16:32   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-13 17:18     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-06-13 18:39       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-13 19:10         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-06-13 21:17           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-13 22:32             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-06-13 23:16               ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-14  4:19                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-06-14 11:59                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-06-14 16:27                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-06-15 12:36                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2023-06-15 16:10                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-06-15 16:31                           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-16  1:50                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-16  0:09   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-16  8:12     ` Magnus Karlsson
2023-06-16 17:32       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-16 23:10         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-19  7:15           ` Magnus Karlsson
2023-06-14  3:31 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-14  3:54   ` David Ahern
2023-06-14  5:05     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-14 17:17       ` Stanislav Fomichev

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