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From: Jakub Sitnicki <jakub@cloudflare.com>
To: Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	dccp@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@cloudflare.com,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Gerrit Renker <gerrit@erg.abdn.ac.uk>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Marek Majkowski <marek@cloudflare.com>,
	Lorenz Bauer <lmb@cloudflare.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 02/17] bpf: Introduce SK_LOOKUP program type with a dedicated attach point
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:16:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zhadtf0v.fsf@cloudflare.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200511205435.mgjbkfndpi2sds6z@kafai-mbp.dhcp.thefacebook.com>

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 10:54 PM CEST, Martin KaFai Lau wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 09:26:02PM +0200, Jakub Sitnicki wrote:
>> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 08:59 PM CEST, Martin KaFai Lau wrote:
>> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:08:15AM +0200, Jakub Sitnicki wrote:
>> >> On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 08:39 PM CEST, Martin KaFai Lau wrote:
>> >> > On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 12:45:14PM +0200, Jakub Sitnicki wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 09:06 AM CEST, Martin KaFai Lau wrote:
>> >> >> > On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 02:54:58PM +0200, Jakub Sitnicki wrote:
>> >>
>> >> [...]
>> >>
>> >> >> >> +		return -ESOCKTNOSUPPORT;
>> >> >> >> +
>> >> >> >> +	/* Check if socket is suitable for packet L3/L4 protocol */
>> >> >> >> +	if (sk->sk_protocol != ctx->protocol)
>> >> >> >> +		return -EPROTOTYPE;
>> >> >> >> +	if (sk->sk_family != ctx->family &&
>> >> >> >> +	    (sk->sk_family == AF_INET || ipv6_only_sock(sk)))
>> >> >> >> +		return -EAFNOSUPPORT;
>> >> >> >> +
>> >> >> >> +	/* Select socket as lookup result */
>> >> >> >> +	ctx->selected_sk = sk;
>> >> >> > Could sk be a TCP_ESTABLISHED sk?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, and what's worse, it could be ref-counted. This is a bug. I should
>> >> >> be rejecting ref counted sockets here.
>> >> > Agree. ref-counted (i.e. checking rcu protected or not) is the right check
>> >> > here.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unrelated quick thought, it may still be fine for the
>> >> > TCP_ESTABLISHED tcp_sk returned from sock_map because of the
>> >> > "call_rcu(&psock->rcu, sk_psock_destroy);" in sk_psock_drop().
>> >> > I was more thinking about in the future, what if this helper can take
>> >> > other sk not coming from sock_map.
>> >>
>> >> I see, psock holds a sock reference and will not release it until a full
>> >> grace period has elapsed.
>> >>
>> >> Even if holding a ref wasn't a problem, I'm not sure if returning a
>> >> TCP_ESTABLISHED socket wouldn't trip up callers of inet_lookup_listener
>> >> (tcp_v4_rcv and nf_tproxy_handle_time_wait4), that look for a listener
>> >> when processing a SYN to TIME_WAIT socket.
>> > Not suggesting the sk_assign helper has to support TCP_ESTABLISHED in TCP
>> > if there is no use case for it.
>>
>> Ack, I didn't think you were. Just explored the consequences.
>>
>> > Do you have a use case on supporting TCP_ESTABLISHED sk in UDP?
>> > From the cover letter use cases, it is not clear to me it is
>> > required.
>> >
>> > or both should only support unconnected sk?
>>
>> No, we don't have a use case for selecting a connected UDP socket.
>>
>> I left it as a possiblity because __udp[46]_lib_lookup, where BPF
>> sk_lookup is invoked from, can return one.
>>
>> Perhaps the user would like to connect the selected receiving socket
>> (for instance to itself) to ensure its not used for TX?
>>
>> I've pulled this scenario out of the hat. Happy to limit bpf_sk_assign
>> to select only unconnected UDP sockets, if returning a connected one
>> doesn't make sense.
> OTOH, my concern is:
> TCP's SK_LOOKUP can override the kernel choice on TCP_LISTEN sk.
> UDP's SK_LOOKUP can override the kernel choice on unconnected sk but
> not the connected sk.
>
> It could be quite confusing to bpf user if a bpf_prog was written to return
> both connected and unconnected UDP sk and logically expect both
> will be done before the kernel's choice.
>

That's a fair point. I've been looking at this from the PoV of in-kernel
callers of udp socket lookup, which now seems wrong.

I agree it would a be surprising if not confusing UAPI. Will limit it to
just unconnected UDP in v3.

Thanks for raising the concern,
Jakub

  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-12 14:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-06 12:54 [PATCH bpf-next 00/17] Run a BPF program on socket lookup Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:54 ` [PATCH bpf-next 01/17] flow_dissector: Extract attach/detach/query helpers Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:54 ` [PATCH bpf-next 02/17] bpf: Introduce SK_LOOKUP program type with a dedicated attach point Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 13:16   ` Lorenz Bauer
2020-05-06 13:53     ` Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-07 20:55       ` Martin KaFai Lau
2020-05-08  8:54         ` Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-08  7:06   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2020-05-08 10:45     ` Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-08 18:39       ` Martin KaFai Lau
2020-05-11  9:08         ` Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-11 18:59           ` Martin KaFai Lau
2020-05-11 19:26             ` Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-11 20:54               ` Martin KaFai Lau
2020-05-12 14:16                 ` Jakub Sitnicki [this message]
2020-05-06 12:54 ` [PATCH bpf-next 03/17] inet: Store layer 4 protocol in inet_hashinfo Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 04/17] inet: Extract helper for selecting socket from reuseport group Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 05/17] inet: Run SK_LOOKUP BPF program on socket lookup Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 06/17] inet6: Extract helper for selecting socket from reuseport group Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 07/17] inet6: Run SK_LOOKUP BPF program on socket lookup Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 08/17] udp: Store layer 4 protocol in udp_table Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 09/17] udp: Extract helper for selecting socket from reuseport group Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 10/17] udp: Run SK_LOOKUP BPF program on socket lookup Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 11/17] udp6: Extract helper for selecting socket from reuseport group Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 12/17] udp6: Run SK_LOOKUP BPF program on socket lookup Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 13/17] bpf: Sync linux/bpf.h to tools/ Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 14/17] libbpf: Add support for SK_LOOKUP program type Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-08 17:41   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-05-08 17:52     ` Yonghong Song
2020-05-08 17:59       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-05-11  8:12     ` Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 15/17] selftests/bpf: Add verifier tests for bpf_sk_lookup context access Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 16/17] selftests/bpf: Rename test_sk_lookup_kern.c to test_ref_track_kern.c Jakub Sitnicki
2020-05-06 12:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 17/17] selftests/bpf: Tests for BPF_SK_LOOKUP attach point Jakub Sitnicki

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