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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,  Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	 Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Hou Tao <houtao1@huawei.com>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	 Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	 linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Kernel Team <kernel-team@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v9 1/6] locking/local_lock: Introduce localtry_lock_t
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 23:24:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAADnVQKP-oMrCyC2VPCEEXMxEO6+E2qknY8URLtCNySxwu8h0g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b428858a-e985-4acc-95f4-4203afcb500a@suse.cz>

On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 9:21 PM Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> wrote:
>
> On 3/11/25 17:31, Mateusz Guzik wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 5:21 PM Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
> > <bigeasy@linutronix.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2025-03-11 16:44:30 [+0100], Mateusz Guzik wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 06:44:22PM -0800, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> >> > > +#define __localtry_lock(lock)                                      \
> >> > > +   do {                                                    \
> >> > > +           localtry_lock_t *lt;                            \
> >> > > +           preempt_disable();                              \
> >> > > +           lt = this_cpu_ptr(lock);                        \
> >> > > +           local_lock_acquire(&lt->llock);                 \
> >> > > +           WRITE_ONCE(lt->acquired, 1);                    \
> >> > > +   } while (0)
> >> >
> >> > I think these need compiler barriers.
> >> >
> >> > I checked with gcc docs (https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Volatiles.html)
> >> > and found this as confirmation:
> >> > > Accesses to non-volatile objects are not ordered with respect to volatile accesses.
> >> >
> >> > Unless the Linux kernel is built with some magic to render this moot(?).
> >>
> >> You say we need a barrier() after the WRITE_ONCE()? If so, we need it in
> >> the whole file…
> >>
> >
> > I see the original local_lock machinery on the stock kernel works fine
> > as it expands to the preempt pair which has the appropriate fences. If
> > debug is added, the "locking" remains unaffected, but the debug state
> > might be bogus when looked at from the "wrong" context and adding the
> > compiler fences would trivially sort it out. I don't think it's a big
> > deal for *their* case, but patching that up should not raise any
> > eyebrows and may prevent eyebrows from going up later.
> >
> > The machinery added in this patch does need the addition for
> > correctness in the base operation though.
>
> Yeah my version of this kind of lock in sheaves code had those barrier()'s,
> IIRC after you or Jann told me. It's needed so that the *compiler* does not
> e.g. reorder a write to the protected data to happen before the
> WRITE_ONCE(lt->acquired, 1) (or after the WRITE_ONCE(lt->acquired, 0) in
> unlock).

I think you all are missing a fine print in gcc doc:
"Unless...can be aliased".
The kernel is compiled with -fno-strict-aliasing.
No need for barrier()s here.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-11 22:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-22  2:44 [PATCH bpf-next v9 0/6] bpf, mm: Introduce try_alloc_pages() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-02-22  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v9 1/6] locking/local_lock: Introduce localtry_lock_t Alexei Starovoitov
2025-03-11 15:44   ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-11 16:20     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-03-11 16:31       ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-11 20:21         ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-11 22:24           ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2025-03-12  8:29             ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-14 21:05               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-03-14 21:08                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-14 21:18                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-02-22  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v9 2/6] mm, bpf: Introduce try_alloc_pages() for opportunistic page allocation Alexei Starovoitov
2025-03-11  2:04   ` Andrew Morton
2025-03-11 13:32     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-03-11 18:04       ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-12  9:45         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-03-15  0:34         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-03-12 10:00       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-12 19:06         ` Shakeel Butt
2025-03-13  8:44           ` Michal Hocko
2025-03-13 14:21             ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-13 16:02               ` Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14 10:16               ` Michal Hocko
2025-03-15  0:51         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-02-22  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v9 3/6] mm, bpf: Introduce free_pages_nolock() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-02-22  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v9 4/6] memcg: Use trylock to access memcg stock_lock Alexei Starovoitov
2025-02-22  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v9 5/6] mm, bpf: Use memcg in try_alloc_pages() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-02-22  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v9 6/6] bpf: Use try_alloc_pages() to allocate pages for bpf needs Alexei Starovoitov
2025-02-26  3:19 ` [PATCH bpf-next v9 0/6] bpf, mm: Introduce try_alloc_pages() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-02-27 17:50 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf

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