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From: "Florent Revest" <florent.revest@linux.dev>
To: "Alexei Starovoitov" <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: "Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi" <memxor@gmail.com>,
	"bpf" <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii@kernel.org>,
	"Martin KaFai Lau" <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	"Eduard Zingerman" <eddyz87@gmail.com>,
	"Song Liu" <song@kernel.org>,
	"Yonghong Song" <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	"Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@kernel.org>, "KP Singh" <kpsingh@kernel.org>,
	"Emil Tsalapatis" <emil@etsalapatis.com>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	"Jose Fernandez" <jose.fernandez@linux.dev>,
	"LKML" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf] bpf: Keep progs alive until the trampoline image calling them is freed
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2026 10:15:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DL4R2YXF9J8G.203VBANYFFSET@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQLMm43qJxuiHUuuh51wAL4kH0+fRoaM7YfbZEXT7LHn0A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed Sep 2, 2026 at 5:57 AM UTC, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2026 at 1:58 PM Florent Revest <florent.revest@linux.dev> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon Aug 31, 2026 at 2:43 AM UTC, Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi wrote:
> > > On Sun Aug 30, 2026 at 3:21 PM CEST, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2026 at 3:41 AM Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
> > > > <memxor@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Overall, looks good to me. Thanks for the fix!
> > > >>
> > > >> Acked-by: Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
> > > >>
> > > >> Note for whoever applies this: please add Reported-by: tag for Sechang as well.
> > > >> Optionally, wordsmith the commit log with the suggestion above.
> > > >
> > > > Hold on. I don't think we can proceed with this fix.
> > > > It defeats the point of fexit jmp patching and keeps progs
> > > > pinned until a sleepable kernel function that were attached to
> > > > will return. Which means that the tracing prog attached to "unlucky" kernel
> > > > function that sleeps for an hour will stay pinned for an hour.
> > > > Let's think of a different way of fixing the race.
> > >
> > > I don't have background on the original commit being fixed, but is that really
> > > realistic? Or worrisome even if it happens in practice, since worst case the
> > > program refcounts remains raised for that duration?
> > >
> > > We have similar worst case for programs too (e.g. using bpf_copy_from_user on
> > > user controlled buffer in, say, LSM progs). At least here we won't be extending
> > > any RCU flavored GP.
> > >
> > > That said I will think about alternative fixes in the meantime, if we accept the
> > > premise that we don't want to pin program references in the image and keep their
> > > lifetimes decoupled.
> >
> > How about having old trampolines skip freed programs instead of keeping
> > them alive ?
>
> Isn't it doing it now?
> That was the whole point of patching nop to jmp in a trampoline.

Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing, you're referring to the
"ip_after_call" patching done in bpf_tramp_image_put, right ? 

My understanding is that this only helps in the case where a task is in the
traced function while a prog is detached. It'd make it skip all fexit progs.

But if a task is sleeping in a fexit.s prog for example, it is already past
ip_after_call, so this patching would not prevent it from calling a second,
freed, fexit prog lined up after it in the trampoline, no ? The same situation
should happen with a sleeping fentry.s prog followed by a fentry prog.

I have a reproducer for those scenarios that crashes bpf-next. I will make it a
selftest in v2 like Jiri suggested.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-02 10:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-19 12:22 [PATCH bpf] bpf: Keep progs alive until the trampoline image calling them is freed Florent Revest (Anthropic)
2026-08-20 15:26 ` Junseo Lim
     [not found]   ` <bc0edb11e07e0f6147e9c552805d0029c7aec7fc@linux.dev>
2026-08-21  7:58     ` Junseo Lim
2026-08-31 21:07       ` Florent Revest
2026-08-20 16:19 ` Leon Hwang
2026-08-30 10:40 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-08-30 13:21   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-08-31  2:43     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-08-31 20:58       ` Florent Revest
2026-09-02  5:57         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-02 10:15           ` Florent Revest [this message]
2026-09-02 22:06             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-02 23:25               ` Florent Revest
2026-09-03  0:48                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-08-31 16:40 ` Jiri Olsa
2026-08-31 20:43   ` Florent Revest

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