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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, andrew.cooper3@citrix.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ndesaulniers@google.com,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 14/14] bpf,x86: Respect X86_FEATURE_RETPOLINE*
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:53:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YXEqpuKa5UiRNEfc@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211021001808.3ng6qeggi5lfwx7k@treble>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 05:18:08PM -0700, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 05:07:53PM -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 12:44:56PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > +
> > > +	if (cpu_feature_enabled(X86_FEATURE_RETPOLINE_AMD)) {
> > > +		EMIT_LFENCE();
> > > +		EMIT2(0xFF, 0xE0 + reg);
> > > +	} else if (cpu_feature_enabled(X86_FEATURE_RETPOLINE)) {
> > > +		emit_jump(&prog, reg_thunk[reg], ip);
> > > +	} else
> > 
> > One more question.
> > What's a deal with AMD? I thought the retpoline is effective on it as well.
> > lfence is an optimization or retpoline turned out to be not enough
> > in some cases?
> 
> Yes, it's basically an optimization.  AMD recommends it presumably
> because it's quite a bit faster than a retpoline.
> 
> According to AMD it shrinks the speculative execution window enough so
> that Spectre v2 isn't a threat.

Right, also note that we've been using alternatives to patch the thunk
to lfence;jmp for AMD pretty much forever.

Inlining it is better tho; just a shame clang seems to insist on r11,
which means we cannot fit it in the thunk call site for them :/

      reply	other threads:[~2021-10-21  8:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]   ` <YW/4/7MjUf3hWfjz@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
2021-10-21  0:05     ` [PATCH v2 14/14] bpf,x86: Respect X86_FEATURE_RETPOLINE* Alexei Starovoitov
2021-10-21  8:47       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-21 18:03         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2021-10-21 22:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-21 23:24             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2021-10-21 23:38               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-10-21 23:42                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2021-10-22 11:31                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-22 15:22                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2021-10-25 13:44                       ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-10-25 12:42                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-21 23:51         ` Zvi Effron
2021-10-22  8:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-22 21:06             ` Zvi Effron
2021-10-21  0:07   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2021-10-21  0:18     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-10-21  8:53       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]

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