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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net, ast@kernel.org,
	andrii@kernel.org, kafai@fb.com, songliubraving@fb.com,
	yhs@fb.com, john.fastabend@gmail.com, kpsingh@kernel.org,
	kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf 2/2] bpf: Update bpf_design_QA.rst to clarify that attaching to functions is not ABI
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:15:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yt6JdYSitC6e2lLk@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220722212346.GD2860372@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1>

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 02:23:46PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 10:17:57PM +0200, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
> > Otherwise I think this could be a bit misunderstood, e.g. most of the networking
> > programs (e.g. XDP, tc, sock_addr) have a fixed framework around them where
> > attaching programs is part of ABI.
> 
> Excellent point, thank you!
> 
> Apologies for the newbie question, but does BTF_ID() mark a function as
> ABI from the viewpoing of a BPF program calling that function, attaching
> to that function, or both?  Either way, is it worth mentioning this
> in this QA entry?

Not necessarily.  For example, __filemap_add_folio has a BTF_ID(), but
it is not ABI (it's error injection).

> The updated patch below just adds the "arbitrary".
> 
> 							Thanx, Paul
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> commit 89659e20d11fc1350f5881ff7c9687289806b2ba
> Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>
> Date:   Fri Jul 22 10:52:05 2022 -0700
> 
>     bpf: Update bpf_design_QA.rst to clarify that attaching to functions is not ABI
>     
>     This patch updates bpf_design_QA.rst to clarify that the ability to
>     attach a BPF program to an arbitrary function in the kernel does not
>     make that function become part of the Linux kernel's ABI.
>     
>     [ paulmck: Apply Daniel Borkmann feedback. ]
>     
>     Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/bpf/bpf_design_QA.rst b/Documentation/bpf/bpf_design_QA.rst
> index 2ed9128cfbec8..a06ae8a828e3d 100644
> --- a/Documentation/bpf/bpf_design_QA.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/bpf/bpf_design_QA.rst
> @@ -279,3 +279,15 @@ cc (congestion-control) implementations.  If any of these kernel
>  functions has changed, both the in-tree and out-of-tree kernel tcp cc
>  implementations have to be changed.  The same goes for the bpf
>  programs and they have to be adjusted accordingly.
> +
> +Q: Attaching to arbitrary kernel functions is an ABI?
> +-----------------------------------------------------
> +Q: BPF programs can be attached to many kernel functions.  Do these
> +kernel functions become part of the ABI?
> +
> +A: NO.
> +
> +The kernel function prototypes will change, and BPF programs attaching to
> +them will need to change.  The BPF compile-once-run-everywhere (CO-RE)
> +should be used in order to make it easier to adapt your BPF programs to
> +different versions of the kernel.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-25 12:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-22 18:06 [PATCH bpf 1/2] bpf: Update bpf_design_QA.rst to clarify that kprobes is not ABI Paul E. McKenney
2022-07-22 18:06 ` [PATCH bpf 2/2] bpf: Update bpf_design_QA.rst to clarify that attaching to functions " Paul E. McKenney
2022-07-22 20:17   ` Daniel Borkmann
2022-07-22 21:23     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-07-25 12:15       ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2022-07-25 16:40         ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-08-02  5:34           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-02 17:42             ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-07-26 23:44       ` [PATCH v2 bpf 1/2] bpf: Update bpf_design_QA.rst to clarify that kprobes " Paul E. McKenney
2022-07-26 23:44         ` [PATCH v2 bpf 2/2] bpf: Update bpf_design_QA.rst to clarify that attaching to functions " Paul E. McKenney

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