From: Anton Protopopov <aspsk@isovalent.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>,
Yonghong Song <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>,
Quentin Monnet <quentin@isovalent.com>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 bpf-next 3/9] bpf: expose how xlated insns map to jitted insns
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 10:44:36 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZehJFP11vi5sv/eW@zh-lab-node-5> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQJ+_+ok_io1_W7e5z_dZhxSqhEFZQkumRgmY4AJRYwW7g@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 05:09:36PM -0800, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 6:04 AM Anton Protopopov <aspsk@isovalent.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 10:48:26PM -0800, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 3:11 AM Anton Protopopov <aspsk@isovalent.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 06:26:12PM -0800, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 2:08 AM Anton Protopopov <aspsk@isovalent.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Feb 05, 2024 at 05:09:51PM -0800, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 8:34 AM Anton Protopopov <aspsk@isovalent.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > diff --git a/include/linux/bpf.h b/include/linux/bpf.h
> > > > > > > > index 4def3dde35f6..bdd6be718e82 100644
> > > > > > > > --- a/include/linux/bpf.h
> > > > > > > > +++ b/include/linux/bpf.h
> > > > > > > > @@ -1524,6 +1524,13 @@ struct bpf_prog_aux {
> > > > > > > > };
> > > > > > > > /* an array of original indexes for all xlated instructions */
> > > > > > > > u32 *orig_idx;
> > > > > > > > + /* for every xlated instruction point to all generated jited
> > > > > > > > + * instructions, if allocated
> > > > > > > > + */
> > > > > > > > + struct {
> > > > > > > > + u32 off; /* local offset in the jitted code */
> > > > > > > > + u32 len; /* the total len of generated jit code */
> > > > > > > > + } *xlated_to_jit;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Simply put Nack to this approach.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Patches 2 and 3 add an extreme amount of memory overhead.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As we discussed during office hours we need a "pointer to insn" concept
> > > > > > > aka "index on insn".
> > > > > > > The verifier would need to track that such things exist and adjust
> > > > > > > indices of insns when patching affects those indices.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For every static branch there will be one such "pointer to insn".
> > > > > > > Different algorithms can be used to keep them correct.
> > > > > > > The simplest 'lets iterate over all such pointers and update them'
> > > > > > > during patch_insn() may even be ok to start.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Such "pointer to insn" won't add any memory overhead.
> > > > > > > When patch+jit is done all such "pointer to insn" are fixed value.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok, thanks for looking, this makes sense.
> > > > >
> > > > > Before jumping into coding I think it would be good to discuss
> > > > > the design first.
> > > > > I'm thinking such "address of insn" will be similar to
> > > > > existing "address of subprog",
> > > > > which is encoded in ld_imm64 as BPF_PSEUDO_FUNC.
> > > > > "address of insn" would be a bit more involved to track
> > > > > during JIT and likely trivial during insn patching,
> > > > > since we're already doing imm adjustment for pseudo_func.
> > > > > So that part of design is straightforward.
> > > > > Implementation in the kernel and libbpf can copy paste from pseudo_func too.
> > > >
> > > > To implement the "primitive version" of static branches, where the
> > > > only API is `static_branch_update(xlated off, on/off)` the only
> > > > requirement is to build `xlated -> jitted` mapping (which is done
> > > > in JIT, after the verification). This can be done in a simplified
> > > > version of this patch, without xlated->orig mapping and with
> > > > xlated->jit mapping only done to gotol_or_nop instructions.
> > >
> > > yes. The array of insn->jit_addr sized with as many goto_or_nop-s
> > > the prog will work for user space to flip them, but...
> > >
> > > > The "address of insn" appears when we want to provide a more
> > > > higher-level API when some object (in user-space or in kernel) keeps
> > > > track of one or more gotol_or_nop instructions so that after the
> > > > program load this controlling object has a list of xlated offsets.
> > > > But this would be a follow-up to the initial static branches patch.
> > >
> > > this won't work as a follow up,
> > > since such an array won't work for bpf prog that wants to flip branches.
> > > There is nothing that associates static_branch name/id with
> > > particular goto_or_nop.
> > > There could be a kfunc that bpf prog calls, but it can only
> > > flip all of such insns in the prog.
> > > Unless we start encoding a special id inside goto_or_nop or other hacks.
> > >
> > > > > The question is whether such "address of insn" should be allowed
> > > > > in the data section. If so, we need to brainstorm how to
> > > > > do it cleanly.
> > > > > We had various hacks for similar things in the past. Like prog_array.
> > > > > Let's not repeat such mistakes.
> > > >
> > > > So, data section is required for implementing jump tables? Like,
> > > > to add a new PTR_TO_LABEL or PTR_TO_INSN data type, and a
> > > > corresponding "ptr to insn" object for every occurence of &&label,
> > > > which will be adjusted during verification.
> > > > Looks to me like this one doesn't require any more API than specifying
> > > > a list of &&label occurencies on program load.
> > > >
> > > > For "static keys" though (a feature on top of this patch series) we
> > > > need to have access to the corresponding set of adjusted pointers.
> > > >
> > > > Isn't this enough to add something like an array of
> > > >
> > > > struct insn_ptr {
> > > > u32 type; /* LABEL, STATIC_BRANCH,... */
> > > > u32 insn_off; /* original offset on load */
> > > > union {
> > > > struct label {...};
> > > > struct st_branch { u32 key_id, ..};
> > > > };
> > > > };
> > >
> > > which I don't like because it hard codes static_branch needs into
> > > insn->jit_addr association.
> > > "address of insn" should be an individual building block without
> > > bolted on parts.
> > >
> > > A data section with a set of such "address of insn"
> > > can be a description of one static_branch.
> > > There will be different ways to combine such building blocks.
> > > For example:
> > > static_branch(foo) can emit goto_or_nop into bpf code
> > > and add "address of insn" into a section '.insn_addrs.foo".
> > > This section is what libbpf and bpf prog will recognize as a set
> > > of "address of insn" that can be passed into static_branch_update kfunc
> > > or static_branch_update sys_bpf command.
> > > The question is whether we need a new map type (array derivative)
> > > to hold a set of "address of insn" or it can be a part of an existing
> > > global data array.
> > > A new map type is easier to reason about.
> > > Notice how such a new map type is not a map type of static branches.
> > > It's not a map type of goto_or_nop instructions either.
> > >
> > > At load time libbpf can populate this array with indices of insns
> > > that the verifier and JIT need to track. Once JITed the array is readonly
> > > for bpf prog and for user space.
> >
> > So this will be a map per .insn_addrs.X section (where X is key or
> > a pre-defined suffix for jump tables or indirect calls). And to tell
> > the verifier about these maps we will need to pass an array of
> >
> > struct {
> > u32 map_fd;
> > u32 type; /* static key, jump table, etc. */
> > }
> >
> > on program load. Is this correct?
>
>
> Probably not.
> Since we're going with a new map type (at least for the sake of this
> discussion) it shouldn't need a new way to tell the verifier about it.
> If .insn_addrs.jmp_table_A was a section generated for switch() statement
> by llvm it will be created as a map by libbpf,
> and there will be an ld_imm64 insn generated by llvm that points
> to that map.
> libbpf will populate ld_imm64 insn with map_fd, just like it does
> for global data.
I understand how this works for indirect jumps (and for the
bpf_static_branch_update(&foo) kfunc) where we have a ld_imm64 with a
map, however, I am still not sure how this will work for static
branches where we just have a 8 byte JA insn + an index in the
corresponding ".insn_addrs.foo" section. How kernel will know that the
program is using a corresponding map which we create from
".insn_addrs.foo" without specifying this on program load?
(Sorry for replying late, catching up after [simultaneous] pto &
covid.)
> > > With that mechanism compilers can generate a proper switch() jmp table.
> > > llvm work can be a follow up, of course, but the whole design needs
> > > to be thought through to cover all use cases.
> > >
> > > To summarize, here's what I'm proposing:
> > > - PTR_TO_INSN verifier regtype that can be passed to static_branch_update kfunc
> >
> > If we have a set of pointers to jump instructions, generated from
> > static_branch(foo) for same foo, then this makes more sense to
> > provide a
> >
> > static_branch_update(foo)
>
> For bpf_static_branch_update(&foo) kfunc there will be another
> ld_imm64 insn that points to that map.
> No need for new interface here either.
>
> > (where foo is substituted by libbpf with a map fd of .insn_addrs.foo
> > on load). The same for userspace:
> >
> > bpf(STATIC_BRANCH_UPDATE, .attrs={.map_fd=foo})
>
> but for libbpf it would be nice to have a helper that knows
> this .insn_addrs section details.
>
> > > - new map type (array) that holds objects that are PTR_TO_INSN for the verifier
> > > libbpf populates this array with indices of insn it wants to track.
> > > bpf prog needs to "use" this array, so prog/map association is built.
> > > - verifier/JIT update each PTR_TO_INSN during transformations.
> > > - static_branch(foo) macro emits goto_or_nop insn and adds 8 bytes
> > > into ".insn_addrs.foo" section with an ELF relocation that
> > > libbpf will convert into index.
> > >
> > > When compilers implement jmptables for switch(key) they will generate
> > > ".insn_addrs.uniq_suffix" sections and emit
> > > rX = ld_imm64 that_section
> > > rX += switch_key
> > > rY = *(u64 *)rX
> > > jmpx rY
> >
> > What are the types for rX and rY? I thought that we will need to do
> > smth like
> >
> > rX = .insn_addrs.uniq_suffix[switch_key] /* rX has type PTR_TO_INSN */
> > ...
> > jmpx rX
>
> right. That ".insn_addrs.uniq_suffix[switch_key]" C syntax is exactly:
> rX = ld_imm64 that_section
> rX += switch_key
> in assembly.
>
> >
> > this can be done if for switch cases (or any other goto *label alike) we generate
> >
> > rX = map_lookup_elem(.insn_addrs.uniq_suffix, index)
> > jmpx rX
>
> No need for function calls.
> rX = ld_imm64 that_section
> rX += switch_key
>
> should work.
>
> It works for global variables already, like:
> rX = ld_imm64 global_data_array_map
> rX += 8 // address of 2nd u64 in global data
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-03-06 10:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-02-02 16:28 [PATCH v1 bpf-next 0/9] BPF static branches Anton Protopopov
2024-02-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 1/9] bpf: fix potential error return Anton Protopopov
2024-02-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 2/9] bpf: keep track of and expose xlated insn offsets Anton Protopopov
2024-02-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 3/9] bpf: expose how xlated insns map to jitted insns Anton Protopopov
2024-02-06 1:09 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-06 10:02 ` Anton Protopopov
2024-02-07 2:26 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-08 11:05 ` Anton Protopopov
2024-02-15 6:48 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-16 13:57 ` Anton Protopopov
2024-02-21 1:09 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-03-06 10:44 ` Anton Protopopov [this message]
2024-03-14 1:56 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-03-14 9:03 ` Anton Protopopov
2024-03-14 17:07 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-03-14 20:06 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-03-14 21:41 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-03-15 13:11 ` Anton Protopopov
2024-03-15 16:32 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-03-15 17:22 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-03-15 17:29 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-03-28 16:37 ` Anton Protopopov
2024-03-29 22:44 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-04-01 9:47 ` Anton Protopopov
2024-02-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 4/9] selftests/bpf: Add tests for instructions mappings Anton Protopopov
2024-02-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 5/9] bpftool: dump new fields of bpf prog info Anton Protopopov
2024-02-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 6/9] bpf: add support for an extended JA instruction Anton Protopopov
2024-02-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 7/9] bpf: Add kernel/bpftool asm support for new instructions Anton Protopopov
2024-02-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 8/9] bpf: add BPF_STATIC_BRANCH_UPDATE syscall Anton Protopopov
2024-02-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 9/9] selftests/bpf: Add tests for new ja* instructions Anton Protopopov
2024-02-02 22:39 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 0/9] BPF static branches Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-04 16:05 ` Anton Protopopov
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