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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/19] srcu: Optimize SRCU-fast-updown for arm64
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2025 12:51:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aQilZAXQv2P-b2eI@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251102214436.3905633-17-paulmck@kernel.org>

Hi Paul,

On Sun, Nov 02, 2025 at 01:44:34PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> Some arm64 platforms have slow per-CPU atomic operations, for example,
> the Neoverse V2.  This commit therefore moves SRCU-fast from per-CPU
> atomic operations to interrupt-disabled non-read-modify-write-atomic
> atomic_read()/atomic_set() operations.  This works because
> SRCU-fast-updown is not invoked from read-side primitives, which
> means that if srcu_read_unlock_fast() NMI handlers.  This means that
> srcu_read_lock_fast_updown() and srcu_read_unlock_fast_updown() can
> exclude themselves and each other
> 
> This reduces the overhead of calls to srcu_read_lock_fast_updown() and
> srcu_read_unlock_fast_updown() from about 100ns to about 12ns on an ARM
> Neoverse V2.  Although this is not excellent compared to about 2ns on x86,
> it sure beats 100ns.
> 
> This command was used to measure the overhead:
> 
> tools/testing/selftests/rcutorture/bin/kvm.sh --torture refscale --allcpus --duration 5 --configs NOPREEMPT --kconfig "CONFIG_NR_CPUS=64 CONFIG_TASKS_TRACE_RCU=y" --bootargs "refscale.loops=100000 refscale.guest_os_delay=5 refscale.nreaders=64 refscale.holdoff=30 torture.disable_onoff_at_boot refscale.scale_type=srcu-fast-updown refscale.verbose_batched=8 torture.verbose_sleep_frequency=8 torture.verbose_sleep_duration=8 refscale.nruns=100" --trust-make
> 
> Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>
> Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
> Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
> Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
> Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
> Cc: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
> Cc: <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
> Cc: <bpf@vger.kernel.org>
> ---
>  include/linux/srcutree.h | 56 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++----
>  1 file changed, 51 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)

[...]

> @@ -327,12 +355,23 @@ __srcu_read_unlock_fast(struct srcu_struct *ssp, struct srcu_ctr __percpu *scp)
>  static inline
>  struct srcu_ctr __percpu notrace *__srcu_read_lock_fast_updown(struct srcu_struct *ssp)
>  {
> -	struct srcu_ctr __percpu *scp = READ_ONCE(ssp->srcu_ctrp);
> +	struct srcu_ctr __percpu *scp;
>  
> -	if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_NEED_SRCU_NMI_SAFE))
> +	if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARM64) && IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARM64_USE_LSE_PERCPU_ATOMICS)) {
> +		unsigned long flags;
> +
> +		local_irq_save(flags);
> +		scp = __srcu_read_lock_fast_na(ssp);
> +		local_irq_restore(flags); /* Avoids leaking the critical section. */
> +		return scp;
> +	}

Do we still need to pursue this after Catalin's prefetch suggestion for the
per-cpu atomics?

https://lore.kernel.org/r/aQU7l-qMKJTx4znJ@arm.com

Although disabling/enabling interrupts on your system seems to be
significantly faster than an atomic instruction, I'm worried that it's
all very SoC-specific and on a mobile part (especially with pseudo-NMI),
the relative costs could easily be the other way around.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-03 12:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <082fb8ba-91b8-448e-a472-195eb7b282fd@paulmck-laptop>
2025-11-02 21:44 ` [PATCH 02/19] srcu: Create an srcu_expedite_current() function Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-02 21:44 ` [PATCH 03/19] rcutorture: Test srcu_expedite_current() Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-02 21:44 ` [PATCH 04/19] srcu: Create a DEFINE_SRCU_FAST() Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-02 21:44 ` [PATCH 05/19] srcu: Make grace-period determination use ssp->srcu_reader_flavor Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-02 21:44 ` [PATCH 06/19] rcutorture: Exercise DEFINE_STATIC_SRCU_FAST() and init_srcu_struct_fast() Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-02 21:44 ` [PATCH 07/19] srcu: Require special srcu_struct define/init for SRCU-fast readers Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-02 21:44 ` [PATCH 08/19] srcu: Make SRCU-fast readers enforce use of SRCU-fast definition/init Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-02 21:44 ` [PATCH 09/19] doc: Update for SRCU-fast definitions and initialization Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-02 21:44 ` [PATCH 10/19] tracing: Guard __DECLARE_TRACE() use of __DO_TRACE_CALL() with SRCU-fast Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-02 21:44 ` [PATCH 13/19] srcu: Add SRCU_READ_FLAVOR_FAST_UPDOWN CPP macro Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-02 21:44 ` [PATCH 15/19] srcu: Create an SRCU-fast-updown API Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-04  7:00   ` Akira Yokosawa
2025-11-04 16:49     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-02 21:44 ` [PATCH 16/19] rcutorture: Test SRCU-fast separately from SRCU-fast-updown Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-02 21:44 ` [PATCH 17/19] srcu: Optimize SRCU-fast-updown for arm64 Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-03 12:51   ` Will Deacon [this message]
2025-11-03 14:07     ` Catalin Marinas
2025-11-03 17:02     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-03 13:34   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-03 17:08     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-03 18:16       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-03 19:17         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-03 19:22           ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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