From: Paul Chaignon <paul.chaignon@gmail.com>
To: Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>,
Shung-Hsi Yu <shung-hsi.yu@suse.com>
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
Harishankar Vishwanathan <harishankar.vishwanathan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 bpf-next 1/2] bpf: Avoid one round of bounds deduction
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2026 19:35:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <abMHY2sCSe6xEKR3@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cc228139101e28d2bc76beb371a2c3f89eed75f3.camel@gmail.com>
On Tue, Mar 10, 2026 at 12:45:39PM -0700, Eduard Zingerman wrote:
> On Tue, 2026-03-10 at 15:56 +0800, Shung-Hsi Yu wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Agree that perhaps we still need to keep 3 rounds of deduction after
> > poking at this further.
> >
> > I tried to run an updated cbmc script[a], manually editing the file to
> > change the number of __reg_deduce_bounds calls made, and check whether
> > an extra call would further change reg_state. For
> > __reg_deduce_bounds_old, it needs 3 calls to pass verification, and for
> > __reg_deduce_bounds_new, it still needs 3.
>
> Using the same logic I played with orderings a bit:
> - For new ordering 3 and 4 deduction rounds are proven to be identical.
> - For ordering in [1] 2 and 3 deduction rounds are proven to be identical,
Nice!
> 1 round is not enough.
>
> So, I think [2] is the way to go:
>
> static void __reg_deduce_bounds(struct bpf_reg_state *reg)
> {
> deduce_bounds_64_from_64(reg);
> deduce_bounds_32_from_64(reg);
> deduce_bounds_32_from_32(reg);
> deduce_bounds_64_from_32(reg);
> }
>
> With __reg_deduce_bounds() done 2 times.
Thanks Eduard and Shung-Hsi for the amazing reviews and contributions!
I'll send a v3 with:
1. The renaming commit from Eduard.
2. The initial reshuffle + additional reshuffle from [1].
3. The removal of one __reg_deduce_bounds.
4. The selftest and I'll see if I can craft a second selftest from the
new inputs you shared Shung-Hsi.
>
> [1] https://github.com/eddyz87/deduce-bounds-verif/blob/76755f763f9282b74ca4e2251f83767502a98e5e/deduce_bounds_new.c#L321
> [2] https://github.com/eddyz87/bpf/tree/deduce-bounds-reshuffle
>
> [...]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-12 18:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-03-07 0:01 [PATCH v2 bpf-next 1/2] bpf: Avoid one round of bounds deduction Paul Chaignon
2026-03-07 0:03 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 2/2] selftests/bpf: Test case for refinement improvement using 64b bounds Paul Chaignon
2026-03-10 1:07 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 1/2] bpf: Avoid one round of bounds deduction Eduard Zingerman
2026-03-10 1:30 ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-03-10 5:53 ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-03-10 7:56 ` Shung-Hsi Yu
2026-03-10 19:45 ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-03-12 18:35 ` Paul Chaignon [this message]
2026-03-13 2:17 ` Shung-Hsi Yu
2026-03-13 4:54 ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-03-17 5:52 ` Shung-Hsi Yu
2026-03-13 10:45 ` Paul Chaignon
2026-03-17 6:03 ` Shung-Hsi Yu
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