From: Kiryl Shutsemau <kirill@shutemov.name>
To: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 19/57] mm/collapse: install a PMD leaf as the terminal layer
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2026 18:54:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ao8jHveJqHegERGF@thinkstation> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260825122354.98021-1-lance.yang@linux.dev>
On Tue, Aug 25, 2026 at 08:23:54PM +0800, Lance Yang wrote:
> >The detached one is not: GUP-fast and RCU pte walks that read the old PMD
> >may still be inside it, and on broadcast-TLBI architectures the flush
> >expels nobody. Quiescing it would need an IPI, which has nowhere to go
> >here -- outside the pmd lock it opens the pmd_none() window this design
> >does not have, inside it is a broadcast under a spinlock. So the
> >detached table goes to pte_free_defer(), which holds the free until those
> >walkers finish. One transient table page per PMD collapse is the cost.
>
> Well, git history spells out why pmdp_get_lockless_sync() is needed here.
One more good catch, thanks!
> Could we keep pmdp_get_lockless_sync() right after pmdp_collapse_flush(),
> before map_anon_folio_pmd_nopf() (and while the locks are still held)?
Yes, I will put pmdp_get_lockless_sync() there.
Here's what I got to my tree:
/*
* Nothing fallible sits past here. No anon_vma_lock_write either: rmap
* walks on the sources are unreachable -- refcounts frozen, folio locks
* held from freeze to putback -- non-rmap pte walkers see migration
* entries, pmd-level observers see the old table or the leaf and never an
* intermediate, and fork, mremap and munmap take a write lock where the
* round holds a read lock.
*
* The flush inside pmdp_collapse_flush() is the round's second over this
* range: the freeze displaced every leaf here and flushed before dropping
* the ptl, and the verify above proved nothing has been mapped since.
* What it covers is the paging-structure caches -- a CPU may still hold
* the pmd-to-table link, for a table that is about to be freed -- which
* is why the helper shoots down a pte range rather than a pmd.
*
* If pmd_t is too wide to load in one access, a lockless walker reads
* it half at a time. Such a walker holds interrupts off, so an
* interrupt between two present values is what keeps it from assembling
* halves of both; the flush above does not always send one.
* pmdp_get_lockless_sync() does, and is an empty inline wherever the
* entry loads atomically.
*/
old_pmd = pmdp_collapse_flush(vma, cand->addr, pmd);
pmdp_get_lockless_sync();
old_table = pmd_pgtable(old_pmd);
/*
* The smp_wmb() in __folio_mark_uptodate() orders the copied data before
* the install below publishes it.
*/
__folio_mark_uptodate(cand->new_folio);
/*
* Deposit a freshly allocated table, not the one just detached: a
* deposited table has to be quiescent, because whoever withdraws it frees
* it immediately (zap_huge_pmd()) with nothing to hold a lockless walker
* off first. A table that has never been reachable is quiescent by
* construction, which is why collapse_alloc() secured one.
*
* The detached table is not quiescent. GUP-fast and RCU pte walks that
* read the old PMD before pmdp_collapse_flush() may still be inside it,
* and on broadcast-TLBI arches that flush expels nobody. Quiescing it
* would take an IPI in a pmd_none window, which this design does not
* have. So the table goes to pte_free_defer(), which holds the free
* until those walkers finish, as retract_page_tables() does. One
* transient table page per PMD collapse is what that costs.
*/
pgtable_trans_huge_deposit(mm, pmd, cand->deposit);
map_anon_folio_pmd_nopf(cand->new_folio, pmd, vma, cand->addr);
Any objections?
--
Kiryl Shutsemau / Kirill A. Shutemov
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-26 17:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-16 22:45 [RFC PATCH 00/57] mm/collapse: rebuild collapse on migration primitives Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 01/57] mm: add pte_folio() Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-18 16:38 ` Rik van Riel
2026-08-18 18:13 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 20:04 ` Rik van Riel
2026-08-19 7:57 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 17:09 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 18:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-20 10:52 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 02/57] mm: add pte_none_or_zero() Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-17 17:57 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-20 11:03 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 03/57] mm/collapse: add collapse.h for the shared collapse state Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-18 10:50 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-20 11:06 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-19 14:19 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-20 11:11 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 11:47 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-24 12:10 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 12:28 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-24 12:36 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 14:09 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-24 15:18 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 15:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-24 15:51 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 04/57] mm/collapse: rename mthp_present_ptes to eligible_ptes Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 05/57] mm/collapse: state what a collapse may do in the policy Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 06/57] mm/collapse: move the smallest collapse order to collapse.h Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 07/57] mm/collapse: sketch the new anonymous collapse engine Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 08/57] mm/collapse: scan a table for what a collapse could use Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 8:39 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-24 9:36 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 09/57] mm/collapse: collect candidate windows into a round Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 10/57] mm/collapse: run a round and feed the outcomes back Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 11/57] mm/collapse: sketch the passes of a round Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 12/57] mm/collapse: allocate a destination per candidate Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 11:20 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-24 12:37 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 13/57] mm/collapse: revalidate a round against the VMA Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 14/57] mm/collapse: fault the sources in before the freeze Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 15/57] mm/collapse: check what a candidate would freeze Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 16/57] mm/collapse: freeze the sources behind migration entries Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 13:12 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-24 14:13 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 15:49 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-08-24 16:13 ` Usama Arif
2026-08-25 2:44 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 17/57] mm/collapse: copy the sources into the destinations Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 18/57] mm/collapse: install the destinations at PTE level Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-25 6:48 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-26 16:57 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 19/57] mm/collapse: install a PMD leaf as the terminal layer Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-25 12:23 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-26 17:54 ` Kiryl Shutsemau [this message]
2026-08-25 16:52 ` Jann Horn
2026-08-26 18:36 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 20/57] mm/collapse: put the sources back Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 21/57] mm/collapse: settle whatever the round reached Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 22/57] mm/collapse: walk a table with a selection cursor Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 23/57] mm/collapse: give a refused region a second chance Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 24/57] mm/collapse: report each candidate's outcome to tracing Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 25/57] mm/collapse: collapse anonymous memory with the new engine Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 26/57] mm/collapse: give collapse_single_pmd() the range to work on Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 27/57] mm/collapse: scan the windows a VMA can hold Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 28/57] mm/collapse: remove the mechanism the engine replaces Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 29/57] mm/collapse: move what a collapse is judged on into collapse.c Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 30/57] mm/collapse: name the max_ptes ceiling after collapse Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 31/57] mm/khugepaged: count collapses where khugepaged makes them Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 32/57] mm/collapse: move the file collapse into collapse.c Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 33/57] mm/collapse: split collapse into a scan and a run Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 34/57] mm/collapse: implement MADV_COLLAPSE in madvise.c Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 35/57] mm/madvise: drop MADV_COLLAPSE's redundant mm reference Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 36/57] mm/collapse: report what the scan found Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 37/57] mm/collapse: report what the fault-in pass paid Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 38/57] mm/collapse: report the round, and what it made faulters wait Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 39/57] mm/collapse: name the file collapse's tracepoints after collapse Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 40/57] mm/collapse: remove the tracepoints of the mechanism that is gone Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 41/57] mm/collapse: give collapse its own trace header Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 42/57] mm/collapse: allow error injection into the freeze Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 43/57] mm/khugepaged: check the scan budget before the work, not after Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 44/57] mm/khugepaged: hold the address space open across a scan Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 45/57] mm/collapse: take a per-VMA read lock for the round Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 46/57] mm/khugepaged: scan under a per-VMA read lock Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 47/57] mm/madvise: collapse " Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 48/57] mm/collapse: assert the mm reference the engine relies on Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 49/57] mm/khugepaged: drop the mmap_lock barrier from __khugepaged_exit() Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 50/57] selftests/mm: attribute collapses by candidate event alone Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 51/57] selftests/mm: cover collapse inside a sub-PMD VMA Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 52/57] selftests/mm: cover a hole-y window in " Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 53/57] selftests/mm: cover collapse of mlocked ranges Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 54/57] selftests/mm: cover collapse beside a MADV_FREE'd page Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 55/57] selftests/mm: cover collapse beside a pinned page Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 56/57] selftests/mm: cover the scaled max_ptes_shared limit Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 57/57] MAINTAINERS: add an entry for collapse Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-17 8:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-17 8:08 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-17 10:12 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-17 2:02 ` [RFC PATCH 00/57] mm/collapse: rebuild collapse on migration primitives Zi Yan
2026-08-17 10:07 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-17 8:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-17 13:38 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-18 13:06 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 14:12 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 14:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-19 18:08 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 14:22 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-24 14:59 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 17:00 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 14:15 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 14:41 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-19 18:22 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-19 18:14 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-18 13:55 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-19 17:09 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
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