From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@kernel.org>
To: Jon Kohler <jon@nutanix.com>, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: "netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@fomichev.me>,
open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"open list:XDP (eXpress Data Path):Keyword:(?:b|_)xdp(?:b|_)"
<bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 5/9] tun: use bulk NAPI cache allocation in tun_xdp_one
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2025 18:32:23 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c04b51c6-bc03-410e-af41-64f318b8960f@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CF8FF91A-2197-47F7-882B-33967C9C6089@nutanix.com>
On 02/12/2025 17.49, Jon Kohler wrote:
>
>
>> On Nov 27, 2025, at 10:02 PM, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 3:19 AM Jon Kohler <jon@nutanix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Optimize TUN_MSG_PTR batch processing by allocating sk_buff structures
>>> in bulk from the per-CPU NAPI cache using napi_skb_cache_get_bulk.
>>> This reduces allocation overhead and improves efficiency, especially
>>> when IFF_NAPI is enabled and GRO is feeding entries back to the cache.
>>
>> Does this mean we should only enable this when NAPI is used?
>
> No, it does not mean that at all, but I see what that would be confusing.
> I can clean up the commit msg on the next go around
>
>>>
>>> If bulk allocation cannot fully satisfy the batch, gracefully drop only
>>> the uncovered portion, allowing the rest of the batch to proceed, which
>>> is what already happens in the previous case where build_skb() would
>>> fail and return -ENOMEM.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Jon Kohler <jon@nutanix.com>
>>
>> Do we have any benchmark result for this?
>
> Yes, it is in the cover letter:
> https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/netdevbpf/cover/20251125200041.1565663-1-jon@nutanix.com/
>
>>> ---
>>> drivers/net/tun.c | 30 ++++++++++++++++++++++++------
>>> 1 file changed, 24 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/drivers/net/tun.c b/drivers/net/tun.c
>>> index 97f130bc5fed..64f944cce517 100644
>>> --- a/drivers/net/tun.c
>>> +++ b/drivers/net/tun.c
[...]
>>> @@ -2454,6 +2455,7 @@ static int tun_xdp_one(struct tun_struct *tun,
>>> ret = tun_xdp_act(tun, xdp_prog, xdp, act);
>>> if (ret < 0) {
>>> /* tun_xdp_act already handles drop statistics */
>>> + kfree_skb_reason(skb, SKB_DROP_REASON_XDP);
>>
>> This should belong to previous patches?
>
> Well, not really, as we did not even have an SKB to free at this point
> in the previous code
>>
>>> put_page(virt_to_head_page(xdp->data));
This calling put_page() directly also looks dubious.
>>> return ret;
>>> }
>>> @@ -2463,6 +2465,7 @@ static int tun_xdp_one(struct tun_struct *tun,
>>> *flush = true;
>>> fallthrough;
>>> case XDP_TX:
>>> + napi_consume_skb(skb, 1);
>>> return 0;
>>> case XDP_PASS:
>>> break;
>>> @@ -2475,13 +2478,15 @@ static int tun_xdp_one(struct tun_struct *tun,
>>> tpage->page = page;
>>> tpage->count = 1;
>>> }
>>> + napi_consume_skb(skb, 1);
>>
>> I wonder if this would have any side effects since tun_xdp_one() is
>> not called by a NAPI.
>
> As far as I can tell, this napi_consume_skb is really just an artifact of
> how it was named and how it was traditionally used.
>
> Now this is really just a napi_consume_skb within a bh disable/enable
> section, which should meet the requirements of how that interface
> should be used (again, AFAICT)
>
Yicks - this sounds super ugly. Just wrapping napi_consume_skb() in bh
disable/enable section and then assuming you get the same protection as
NAPI is really dubious.
Cc Sebastian as he is trying to cleanup these kind of use-case, to make
kernel preemption work.
>>
>>> return 0;
>>> }
>>> }
>>>
>>> build:
>>> - skb = build_skb(xdp->data_hard_start, buflen);
>>> + skb = build_skb_around(skb, xdp->data_hard_start, buflen);
>>> if (!skb) {
>>> + kfree_skb_reason(skb, SKB_DROP_REASON_NOMEM);
>
> Though to your point, I dont think this actually does anything given
> that if the skb was somehow nuked as part of build_skb_around, there
> would not be an skb to free. Doesn’t hurt though, from a self documenting
> code perspective tho?
>
>>> dev_core_stats_rx_dropped_inc(tun->dev);
>>> return -ENOMEM;
>>> }
>>> @@ -2566,9 +2571,11 @@ static int tun_sendmsg(struct socket *sock, struct msghdr *m, size_t total_len)
>>> if (m->msg_controllen == sizeof(struct tun_msg_ctl) &&
>>> ctl && ctl->type == TUN_MSG_PTR) {
>>> struct bpf_net_context __bpf_net_ctx, *bpf_net_ctx;
>>> + int flush = 0, queued = 0, num_skbs = 0;
>>> struct tun_page tpage;
>>> int n = ctl->num;
>>> - int flush = 0, queued = 0;
>>> + /* Max size of VHOST_NET_BATCH */
>>> + void *skbs[64];
>>
>> I think we need some tweaks
>>
>> 1) TUN is decoupled from vhost, so it should have its own value (a
>> macro is better)
>
> Sure, I can make another constant that does a similar thing
>
>> 2) Provide a way to fail or handle the case when more than 64
>
> What if we simply assert that the maximum here is 64, which I think
> is what it actually is in practice?
>
>>
>>>
>>> memset(&tpage, 0, sizeof(tpage));
>>>
>>> @@ -2576,13 +2583,24 @@ static int tun_sendmsg(struct socket *sock, struct msghdr *m, size_t total_len)
>>> rcu_read_lock();
>>> bpf_net_ctx = bpf_net_ctx_set(&__bpf_net_ctx);
>>>
>>> - for (i = 0; i < n; i++) {
>>> + num_skbs = napi_skb_cache_get_bulk(skbs, n);
>>
>> Its document said:
>>
>> """
>> * Must be called *only* from the BH context.
>> “"”
> We’re in a bh_disable section here, is that not good enough?
Again this feels very ugly and prone to painting ourselves into a
corner, assuming BH-disabled sections have same protection as NAPI.
(The napi_skb_cache_get/put function are operating on per CPU arrays
without any locking.)
--Jesper
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-02 17:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-25 20:00 [PATCH net-next v2 0/9] tun: optimize SKB allocation with NAPI cache Jon Kohler
2025-11-25 20:00 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/9] tun: cleanup out label in tun_xdp_one Jon Kohler
2025-11-25 20:00 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/9] tun: correct drop statistics " Jon Kohler
2025-11-25 20:00 ` [PATCH net-next v2 4/9] tun: correct drop statistics in tun_get_user Jon Kohler
2025-11-25 20:00 ` [PATCH net-next v2 5/9] tun: use bulk NAPI cache allocation in tun_xdp_one Jon Kohler
2025-11-28 3:02 ` Jason Wang
2025-12-02 16:49 ` Jon Kohler
2025-12-02 17:32 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2025-12-02 17:45 ` Jon Kohler
2025-12-03 4:10 ` Jason Wang
2025-12-03 4:34 ` Jon Kohler
2025-12-03 6:40 ` Jason Wang
2025-12-03 8:47 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-12-03 15:35 ` Jon Kohler
2025-12-05 7:58 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-12-05 13:21 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-12-05 16:56 ` Jon Kohler
2025-12-08 11:04 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-11-29 3:08 ` [PATCH net-next v2 0/9] tun: optimize SKB allocation with NAPI cache Willem de Bruijn
2025-12-02 16:38 ` Jon Kohler
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