From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Michael Jeanson <mjeanson@efficios.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>, Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
bpf@vger.kernel.org, Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/5] tracing: Introduce faultable tracepoints
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 11:00:13 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dd48866e-782e-4362-aa20-1c7a3be5a2fc@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231121155256.GN4779@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On 2023-11-21 10:52, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 03:46:43PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>
>> Why is this such a hard question?
>
> Anyway, recapping from IRC:
>
> preemptible, SRCU:
> counter-array based, GP advances by increasing array index
> and waiting for previous index to drop to 0.
>
> notably, a GP can pass while a task is preempted but not within a
> critical section.
>
> SRCU has smp_mb() in the critical sections to improve GP.
Also:
preemptible only allows blocking when priority inheritance is
guarantees, which excludes doing I/O, and thus page faults.
Otherwise a long I/O could cause the system to OOM.
SRCU allows all kind of blocking, as long as the entire SRCU
domain does not mind waiting for a while before readers complete.
>
> tasks:
> waits for every task to pass schedule()
>
> ensures that any pieces of text rendered unreachable before, is
> actually unused after.
>
> tasks-rude:
> like tasks, but different? build to handle tracing while rcu-idle,
> even though that was already deemed bad?
>
> tasks-tracing-rcu:
> extention of tasks to have critical-sections ? Should this simply be
> tasks?
tasks-trace-rcu is meant to allow tasks to block/take a page fault
within the read-side. It is specialized for tracing and has a single
domain. It does not need the smp_mb on the read-side, which makes it
lower-overhead than SRCU.
Thanks,
Mathieu
>
>
> Can someone complete, please?
>
>
>
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-11-21 15:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-11-20 20:54 [PATCH v4 0/5] Faultable Tracepoints Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-11-20 20:54 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] tracing: Introduce faultable tracepoints Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-11-20 21:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-20 22:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-11-20 22:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-20 23:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-11-21 8:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-21 14:06 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-11-21 14:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-21 14:40 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-11-21 14:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-21 14:56 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-11-21 15:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-11-21 15:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-21 16:00 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2023-11-21 16:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-21 16:11 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-11-21 16:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-11-21 16:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-21 17:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-21 16:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-11-21 14:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-21 16:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-11-21 15:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-11-21 16:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-21 16:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-11-20 22:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-06-20 15:38 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-11-20 20:54 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] tracing/ftrace: Add support for " Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-11-20 22:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-20 15:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-11-20 20:54 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] tracing/bpf-trace: add " Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-11-20 20:54 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] tracing/perf: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-11-20 20:54 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] tracing: convert sys_enter/exit to " Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-11-20 21:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-20 15:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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