From: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>
To: Nam Cao <namcao@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Wen Yang <wen.yang@linux.dev>,
Tobias Schaffner <tobias.schaffner@siemens.com>,
Viktor Malik <vmalik@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/20] rv: Add support for BPF monitors
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2026 08:52:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <df6e9168cb06c35e21db7f9d17cfbca6bd87005b.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87se3sakgi.fsf@yellow.woof>
On Tue, 2026-09-01 at 20:35 +0200, Nam Cao wrote:
> Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com> writes:
> > Extend the rv userspace tool to load BPF monitors, those can be found in
> > specific locations (e.g. /usr/share/rv/bpf_monitors/) and are plain
> > object files including BTF data.
> >
> > This type of BPF monitors can be generated from rvgen using the -b flag
> > just like in-kernel monitors and, after manual adaptation, can be built
> > and run transparently by the rv userspace tool.
>
> I am not familiar with BPF. What is the benefit of BPF monitors,
> compared to the existing DA monitors?
I should definitely have included it in the cover letter.. I'm writing it
everywhere (will present at LPC) but forgot it here.
Essentially BPF monitors can be pluggable, folks writing their own monitors
won't need to submit a patch or maintain a separate tree, which is useful for
domain-specific models.
By being pluggable you also don't need to reboot to use a new/updated monitor.
Think of being able to distribute a more granular set of rules for RTapp, I
remember we had conversation along those lines, not all rules apply to all
contexts and what you send upstream has to be general, what you keep for
yourself doesn't.
Having monitors in BPF brings also other perks over kernel modules: a whole
bunch of readily available probe types (uprobes, fprobes, all unexported
tracepoints that are cumbersome for modules), the map infrastructure for
allocation is arguably easier and the code is verified when loaded against
common issues (NULL pointer access, unbound loops, etc.).
That said, I try to mimic as much as possible the in-kernel functionality, but
some things are not the same (event/error tracepoints).
These support DA only because BPF loading needs a userspace component and the RV
tool doesn't support LTL and HA yet, there shouldn't be any technical reason not
to extend to those in the future.
Gabriele
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-02 6:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-31 9:05 [RFC PATCH 00/20] rv: Add support for BPF monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 01/20] sched: Add task enqueue/dequeue trace points Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:32 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 02/20] tools/rv: Skip empty pid error in selftest if command failed Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 03/20] rv: Refactor da_trace() functions to get strings internally Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 04/20] rv: Use static arrays for rv_monitor name and description Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 05/20] rv: Add in-kernel support for BPF monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 06/20] rv: Add rv_get_monitor_by_name() Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:24 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 07/20] rv: Add reactors support to BPF monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 08/20] rv: Cast result of model_get_*_name() Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 09/20] rv: Handle unregistered monitors safely in tracefs Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:24 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 10/20] tools/build: Add a feature test for bpftool-btf Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 11/20] tools/rv: Move argument parsing from in_kernel to utils Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 12/20] tools/rv: Export functionality for in_kernel monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 13/20] tools/rv: Implement BPF monitor loading and tracing Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:34 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 14/20] tools/rv: Implement BPF monitor registration logic Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:38 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 15/20] tools/rv: Copy stripped bpf_atomic.h from libarena Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:38 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 16/20] tools/rv: Add BPF monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:40 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 17/20] tools/rv: Define CONFIG_X86_64 statically for " Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 18/20] verification/rvgen: Add support " Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:41 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 19/20] tools/rv: Add selftest for rv bpf Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31 9:44 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31 9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 20/20] verification/rvgen: Add selftest for rvgen -b Gabriele Monaco
2026-09-01 18:35 ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] rv: Add support for BPF monitors Nam Cao
2026-09-02 6:52 ` Gabriele Monaco [this message]
2026-09-02 7:46 ` Nam Cao
2026-09-03 1:57 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-03 7:21 ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-09-03 13:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-09-04 3:30 ` Alexei Starovoitov
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