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From: Martin Kelly <martin.kelly@crowdstrike.com>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>
Cc: <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, Rahul Shah <rahul.shah@crowdstrike.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Best way to check for fentry attach support
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 12:07:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e776f129-3796-a425-b162-ac74e7d78530@crowdstrike.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEf4BzYubqYZ=Hu2yzZ3FXGW-oGJ+-3k9=s+EAhvu07OCzgh+w@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/14/23 11:05, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:50 AM Martin Kelly
> <martin.kelly@crowdstrike.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm trying to figure out the best way to handle the fact that
>> fentry/fexit trampolines are not fully supported on all architectures
>> and kernel versions. As an example, I want to be able to load an fentry
>> if the kernel supports it, and a kprobe otherwise.
>>
>> It's tempting to use libbpf_probe_bpf_prog_type for this, but on ARM64
>> kernels >= 5.5 (when BPF trampolines were introduced) but before the
>> most recent ones, loading an fentry program will pass, but attaching it
>> will still fail. This also means that libbpf_probe_bpf_prog_type will
>> return true even if the program can't be attached, so that can't be used
>> to test for attachability.
> Right, because libbpf_probe_bpf_prog_type() is testing whether given
> program type can be loaded, not attached.
>
>> I can work around this by attempting to attach a dummy fentry program in
>> my application, but I'm wondering if this is something that should be
>> done more generally by libbpf. Some possible ways to do this are:
>>
>> - Extend the libbpf_probe API to add libbpf_probe_trampoline or similar,
>> attempting attach to a known-exported function, such as the BPF syscall,
>> or to a user-specified symbol.
>>
>> - Extend the libbpf_probe API to add a generic libbpf_probe_attach API
>> to check if a given function is attachable. However, as attach code is
>> different depending on the hook, this might be very complex and require
>> a ton of parameters.
>>
>> - Maybe there are other options that I haven't thought of.
>>
>> I have a patch I could send for libbpf_probe_trampoline, but I wanted to
>> first check if this is a good idea or if it's preferred to simply have
>> applications probe this themselves.
> It doesn't seem too hard for an application to try to attach and if
> attachment fails fallback to attaching kprobe-based program. So I'd
> prefer that over much more maintenance burden of keeping this "can
> attach" generic API. At least for now.

OK, it's easy enough to do it in the application, so we'll do that. Thanks!

>> Thanks,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>

      reply	other threads:[~2023-09-14 19:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-12 18:50 Best way to check for fentry attach support Martin Kelly
2023-09-14 18:05 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-09-14 19:07   ` Martin Kelly [this message]

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