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From: "Daniel Xu" <dxu@dxuuu.xyz>
To: "bpf@vger.kernel.org" <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH bpf-next 0/2] Improve prog array uref semantics
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 15:36:24 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <eb20fd2c-0fb7-48f7-9fd0-4d654363f4da@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1692748902.git.dxu@dxuuu.xyz>

Hey Daniel,

On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, at 9:08 AM, Daniel Xu wrote:
> This patchset changes the behavior of TC and XDP hooks during attachment
> such that any BPF_MAP_TYPE_PROG_ARRAY that the prog uses has an extra
> uref taken.
>
> The goal behind this change is to try and prevent confusion for the
> majority of use cases. The current behavior where when the last uref is
> dropped the prog array map is emptied is quite confusing. Confusing
> enough for there to be multiple references to it in ebpf-go [0][1].
>
> Completely solving the problem is difficult. As stated in c9da161c6517
> ("bpf: fix clearing on persistent program array maps"), it is
> difficult-to-impossible to walk the full dependency graph b/c it is too
> dynamic.
>
> However in practice, I've found that all progs in a tailcall chain
> share the same prog array map. Knowing that, if we take a uref on any
> used prog array map when the program is attached, we can simplify the
> majority use case and make it more ergonomic.
>
> I'll be the first to admit this is not a very clean solution. It does
> not fully solve the problem. Nor does it make overall logic any simpler.
> But I do think it makes a pretty big usability hole slightly smaller.
>
> I've done some basic testing using a repro program [3] I wrote to debug
> the original issue that eventually led me to this patchset. If we wanna
> move forward with this approach, I'll resend with selftests.
>
> [0]: 
> https://github.com/cilium/ebpf/blob/01ebd4c1e2b9f8b3dd4fd2382aa1092c3c9bfc9d/doc.go#L22-L24
> [1]: 
> https://github.com/cilium/ebpf/blob/d1a52333f2c0fed085f8d742a5a3c164795d8492/collection.go#L320-L321
> [2]: https://github.com/danobi/tc_tailcall_repro

I recently remembered about this again. Was suggested I poke you in case you're interested.
I looked again and I think this is kinda a neat hack. I probably won't have time to pick this back
up either way.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-30  6:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-23  0:08 [RFC PATCH bpf-next 0/2] Improve prog array uref semantics Daniel Xu
2023-08-23  0:08 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 1/2] net: bpf: Make xdp and cls_bpf use bpf_prog_put_dev() Daniel Xu
2023-08-23  0:08 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 2/2] bpf: Take a uref on BPF_MAP_TYPE_PROG_ARRAY maps during dev attachment Daniel Xu
2024-10-30  6:36 ` Daniel Xu [this message]
2024-11-16 22:17   ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 0/2] Improve prog array uref semantics Alexei Starovoitov
2024-11-20 15:55     ` Daniel Xu
2024-11-20 16:07       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-11-20 21:54         ` Daniel Xu

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