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From: Yann E. MORIN <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
To: buildroot@busybox.net
Subject: [Buildroot] [RFC] ti-gfx: add new package
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 01:12:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130614231230.GB3417@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALo-6+jW937J=BmkEpDPe65LCrXUaKUeyWrNestbi2dHmciq-g@mail.gmail.com>

Charles, All,

On 2013-06-14 13:58 -0700, Charles Krinke spake thusly:
> Behind my comments is the issue of TI's practices and I hope we dont
> make it worse by tweaking buildroot in an unusual direction, but I
> will, as usual, follow your lead.

Hmm. I guess we *do* want to hear opinions like yours. That's what in
the end shapes what Buildroot is, and where it goes.

Then, any enhancement should be done in a way that follows the Buildroot
"philosophy" (which is rather not-so-well defined, although the great
lines revolves around KISS, basically, and easiness for the user).

> My perspective is from working with the TI AM3517_evm for the last
> year.

Getting input from people that have experience on the topic is very good
to have. Thank you! :-)

> One of the issues is the fact that TI supplies their kernel
> source out-of-tree as a distribution release. As a consequence no one
> cannot expect kernel.org kernels to work properly for at least this
> reference design.

There has never been such expectation expressed.

Also, we already have some defconfig for some boards where the kernel is
not retrieved from k.org, but from a third-party. For example, the
RaspberryPi defconfig points to the github clone/fork that has RPi
support, and not to k.org.

I can't see a reason not to provide such a defconfig for other boards.

Unless it is no possible to easily retrieve the kernel from that TI
packaging /mess/.

> That is, the TI kernel modifications never made it
> into the mainline kernel, so we have a non-kernel.org situation to
> start with. This should cause buildroot to tread carefully unless we
> also get the patches from TI that change a standard kernel into a
> TI-special kernel.

There is no way Buildroot carries such patches, indeed. Either the user
starts up with the defconfig, or is versed enough to point Buildroot to
use a TI-ready kernel.

> On the Graphics_SDK, since this is a product that TI releases along
> with their kernel from time-to-time. Since this is also not an
> opensource project, I have some angst with patching the released
> Graphics_SDK. This doesnt make any sense to me since this product
> along with the kernel are releases from TI.

Buildroot has a very good infrastructure for declaring licensing
information per-package, and preparing a manifest of such licensing
terms for the user to *review* (and not trust blindly), and decide
whether the licenses combination is valid for him, in his jurisdiction,
for his use-case, and so on...

The Graphics_SDK will *not* be bundled in Buildroot; it's only the user's
actions that will trigger a download/build/install of the Graphics_SDK
source code and binary blobs to his rootfs.

> So, I guess the key issue is mixing distribution releases from a
> vendor with traditional, well-known opensource projects and how
> buildroot can best move forward.

Licensing infrastrucuture, my friend! :-)

    make legal-info

Regards,
Yann E. MORIN

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-14 23:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-05 17:36 [Buildroot] AM3517 Neon, OpenGL & EGLFS support Charles Krinke
2013-06-05 18:05 ` Wojciech Sleńska
2013-06-05 18:17   ` Charles Krinke
2013-06-05 22:16     ` Charles Krinke
2013-06-06 17:16       ` Wojciech Sleńska
2013-06-06 18:20         ` Charles Krinke
2013-06-06 18:26           ` Charles Krinke
2013-06-06 19:26             ` Wojciech Sleńska
2013-06-07  8:08           ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-06-07 14:44             ` Charles Krinke
2013-06-07 15:23               ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-06-07 15:40                 ` Charles Krinke
2013-06-07 16:48                   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-06-07 17:06                     ` Charles Krinke
2013-06-07 20:18                       ` [Buildroot] [RFC] ti-gfx: add new package Spenser Gilliland
2013-06-11 17:58                         ` Charles Krinke
2013-06-12 17:33                           ` Spenser Gilliland
2013-06-12 17:55                             ` Charles Krinke
2013-06-12 18:37                               ` Spenser Gilliland
2013-06-13  8:03                             ` Naumann Andreas
2013-06-13 14:11                               ` Charles Krinke
2013-06-14 20:22                                 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-06-14 20:58                                   ` Charles Krinke
2013-06-14 23:12                                     ` Yann E. MORIN [this message]
2013-06-15 16:28                                     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-06-15  9:37                                   ` Sundareson, Prabindh
2013-06-13 14:58                               ` Spenser Gilliland
2013-06-17 13:35                                 ` Andreas Naumann
2013-06-17 16:26                                   ` Spenser Gilliland
2013-06-13 16:49                         ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-06-14  2:20                           ` Sundareson, Prabindh
2013-06-15 16:33                             ` Thomas Petazzoni

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