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From: Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@free-electrons.com>
To: buildroot@busybox.net
Subject: [Buildroot] Build reproducibility
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:16:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130903091612.3216fb83@skate> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r4d6775s.fsf@dell.be.48ers.dk>

Dear Peter Korsgaard,

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:26:07 +0200, Peter Korsgaard wrote:

>  Arnout>  Note that doing more randomized build order in the autobuilder also
>  Arnout> will not capture the latter scenario. You would have to compare the
>  Arnout> build result - but binary differences are likely because of changing
>  Arnout> timestamps or changing optimizations depending on memory randomness.
> 
> Exactly. I don't have any good ideas about how to detect this (besides
> building all packages in clean staging dirs, E.G. only populated with
> its explicit dependencies like afaik OE lite can do, but that would
> require quite some work), anyone?

Doing a per-package sysroot that is generated for each package before
it gets built, with only the explicitly listed dependencies, is indeed
the only way to ensure that a package is not seeing/using something
that isn't declared as a dependency.

This would certainly be nice to have (as it also helps top-level
parallel build, as was discussed with Fabio Porcedda some time ago),
but:

 1) I'm worried about the additional complexity inside Buildroot.

 2) I'm worried about the additional build time required to generate a
    per-package sysroot for each package. When building large stacks
    like X.org that has many small packages, but each have a lot of
    dependencies, the cost of creating a sysroot before building each
    package could be huge.

 3) We still need to provide the user a global sysroot with all
    libraries installed, so that he can use the toolchain generated by
    Buildroot to build his own libraries/applications. This would mean
    we would need to have two sysroots: the global sysroot, that gets
    incrementally populated with what all packages are installing, but
    that isn't used for building packages inside Buildroot, and a
    separate temporary sysroot, used when building the current package.
    Since the compiler would default to the 'global sysroot', we would
    have to pass --sysroot $(TMPSYSROOT) all the time, or have a
    separate wrapper, or something. Not impossible, but see (1).

Best regards,

Thomas
-- 
Thomas Petazzoni, Free Electrons
Kernel, drivers, real-time and embedded Linux
development, consulting, training and support.
http://free-electrons.com

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-03  7:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-30  8:31 [Buildroot] Build reproducibility Jérôme Pouiller
2013-08-30  8:31 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH] Fix build reproducibility in Make 3.82 Jérôme Pouiller
2013-09-03  6:13   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-03  8:45     ` [Buildroot] [PATCH v2] " Jérôme Pouiller
2013-09-03  9:31       ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-07  6:06       ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-08-30 11:59 ` [Buildroot] Build reproducibility Thomas De Schampheleire
2013-08-30 12:44   ` Jérôme Pouiller
2013-08-30 12:52     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-02  8:44       ` Thomas De Schampheleire
2013-09-02  8:53         ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-02 13:18           ` Thomas De Schampheleire
2013-09-03 17:13             ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-05 19:56               ` Thomas De Schampheleire
2013-09-05 20:49                 ` Jérôme Pouiller
2013-09-02 16:11         ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-03  6:26           ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-09-03  7:16             ` Thomas Petazzoni [this message]
2013-09-03  7:47               ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-09-03 16:48                 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-03  8:15             ` Jérôme Pouiller
2013-09-03 16:54               ` Thomas Petazzoni

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