From: Yann E. MORIN <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
To: buildroot@busybox.net
Subject: [Buildroot] [PATCH v2 4/5] docs/manual: add section about patch licensing
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 23:28:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160226222833.GA3437@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56D0CCDB.9020302@lucaceresoli.net>
Luca, All,
On 2016-02-26 23:08 +0100, Luca Ceresoli spake thusly:
> On 04/02/2016 00:34, Yann E. MORIN wrote:
[...]
> > So, we still have the problem of patches that are applied to packages
> > that can be had under a non-public license, like e.g. Qt, polarssl...
> > for which there exists a proprietary alternative?
> >
> > In my opinion, the patches we carry are only available under the FLOSS
> > license we can get them:
> >
> > - if we cherry-picked them from upstream, then the only license we
> > ever had for those patches is the FLOSS license, not the proprietary
> > one; so they can't be applied to the proprietary version of the
> > package (but a licensee may get those patches from the licensor, and
> > replace our patches with the ones it got from the licensor);
> >
> > - if we wrote them, the only solution we have is to make them public
> > domain, or they could not be applied either (we don't know the
> > licensing terms for that proprietary version, so we can't license
> > them under those terms);
>
> Why can't we license these patches under the FLOSS license they are
> publicly available under?
Ah, my bad, I was not clear.
What I meant with that second point wa that, *if* we wanted to make
those patches available for the non-FLOSS license, then we'd have had to
license them in a very liberal way, and the only real possibility would
have been public domain, as any other license, hoever permissive it may
be, could clash with the proprietary license.
Now, I am absolutely *not* advocating for that.
In fact, I've always been, and will always be, advocating for the
patches to be made available under the _publicly available_ FLOSS
license of the package they are applied to, which is the conclusion we
came to, and which we wrote in COPYING (and soon in the manual).
> Of course this implies "they can't be applied
> to the proprietary version of the package", just like you state in the
> first case. This is a limitation, but I think it is legal. Don't you
> think so?
1- I think it is perfectly legit, yes.
2- I do not see that as a limitation, no.
3- I am 100% fine with that! ;-)
> > - if we got them from somewhere else (e.g. openwrt, gentoo,
> > alpine...), then we'd have to get the licensing terms from those
> > providers, and I guess most of them either don't know (most
> > probable) or would only provide them under the usual FLOSS license
> > of that package (not knowing better than us in points 1 and 2 above).
> >
> > So, this situation is really complex, and we can't deal with that in
> > such a simple way.
> >
> >> They are not distributed under the Buildroot license.
> >
> > Well, what of a patch to a GPLv2 package? It is the same license as
> > Buidlroot's license... What I mean, is that some patches might be
> > covered by the same licensing terms, but that it's not because of
> > Buildroot, but because of the package they are applied to. I'd like we
> > make that clearer...
>
> Aaaah, yes, you're right... Well, I guess we all got what I meant, but
> indeed I wrote something ambiguous. :(
Yes, I did get your meaning, of course! ;-)
But legalese stuff is suffficiently complex that we have to be as clear
as possible when we write such stuff. In the end, I think we pretty much
covered all the bases with that blurb we've added now, no?
Thank you for working on this topic! :-)
Regards,
Yann E. MORIN.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-02-26 22:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-02-01 22:19 [Buildroot] [PATCH v2 0/5] Patch file clarification & Co Luca Ceresoli
2016-02-01 22:19 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH v2 1/5] Update copyright year Luca Ceresoli
2016-02-01 22:24 ` Luca Ceresoli
2016-02-01 22:19 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH v2 2/5] docs/manual: slightly clarify patch licensing Luca Ceresoli
2016-02-02 8:58 ` Yann E. MORIN
2016-02-03 22:53 ` Yann E. MORIN
2016-02-10 22:15 ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2016-02-25 10:50 ` Peter Korsgaard
2016-02-01 22:19 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH v2 3/5] COPYING: add exception about " Luca Ceresoli
2016-02-01 22:31 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-02-03 23:02 ` Yann E. MORIN
2016-02-03 23:57 ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2016-02-04 20:42 ` Yann E. MORIN
2016-02-04 21:08 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-02-04 21:40 ` Yann E. MORIN
2016-02-04 21:51 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-02-04 22:28 ` Steve Calfee
2016-02-05 9:25 ` Luca Ceresoli
2016-02-05 12:07 ` Peter Korsgaard
2016-02-10 22:35 ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2016-02-19 17:28 ` Luca Ceresoli
2016-02-25 10:57 ` Peter Korsgaard
2016-02-25 11:53 ` Luca Ceresoli
2016-02-01 22:19 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH v2 4/5] docs/manual: add section " Luca Ceresoli
2016-02-03 23:34 ` Yann E. MORIN
2016-02-26 22:08 ` Luca Ceresoli
2016-02-26 22:28 ` Yann E. MORIN [this message]
2016-02-10 22:37 ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2016-02-01 22:19 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH v2 5/5] legal-info: explicitly state how patches are licensed Luca Ceresoli
2016-03-06 15:14 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-03-06 22:52 ` Luca Ceresoli
2016-03-06 22:56 ` Yann E. MORIN
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